Why dont supertankers and container ships...

Why dont supertankers and container ships...

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SystemParanoia

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213 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Have hydrofoils?

wouldn't they be able to move so much more tonnage faster by having them? while using less fuel in the process ?

it would be an awesome sight too! 400,000 tonnes cruising along at 40knots biggrin

mechsympathy

55,838 posts

270 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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You'd have to get that 400,000 tonnes to 40 knots though...

MartG

21,832 posts

219 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Because the size of engine they would need to get a 100,000+ tonne ship up to planing speed would be so huge they would have little space left for cargo ?

Alos, hydrofoils may be fast, but they are nowhere near as fuel efficient as a large ship travelling at around 15 knots

Edited by MartG on Monday 17th August 19:00

bob1179

14,126 posts

224 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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The big problem is getting all that weight up to speed. Then you have to keep it stable.

You also have a massive amount of drag in the water, plus the hull would have to be reinforced because of the weight, which adds more weight. I don't think it's really a feasible idea.

Would be pretty cool if it was possible!

smile

SystemParanoia

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its a shame civilian craft cant just buy Nimitz class propulsion systems.

with a bit of tweaking who know what the output could be pushed too!


ETA : Nimitz class carrier weighs 100,000 tonnes and can do 30 knots!

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 17th August 19:05

SystemParanoia

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well.. thats a shame isnt it frown

GTIR

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Monday 17th August 2009
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SystemParanoia said:
well.. thats a shame isnt it frown
Yes.

Anything else on your mind SP?

smile

deevlash

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Monday 17th August 2009
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screw that, what you want is a massive ekranoplan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgtaeRZjWNc

Lost soul

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Monday 17th August 2009
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deevlash said:
screw that, what you want is a massive ekranoplan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgtaeRZjWNc
Them crazy Rooshans

Edited by Lost soul on Monday 17th August 19:26

aeroluke

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234 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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400,000,000 at 20 m/s (approx 40 knots) is 80 gigajoules of kinetic energy!

If you wanted to accelerate that over an hour (and this is completely ignoring drag) you would need to be putting 22 megawatts of power out! I don't know how much the drag is on one of those at that speed but I reckon you'd need a good sized naval nuclear reactor to power it!

SystemParanoia

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deevlash said:
screw that, what you want is a massive ekranoplan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgtaeRZjWNc
i want to build an RC WIG craft one day =)

SystemParanoia

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GTIR said:
SystemParanoia said:
well.. thats a shame isnt it frown
Yes.

Anything else on your mind SP?

smile
not yet, but it wont take long before something else pops up lol

deevlash

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Monday 17th August 2009
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SystemParanoia said:
i want to build an RC WIG craft one day =)
That would be hilarious, I can just see you trying it out on the local boating pond and decimating some small boys radio controlled yacht hehe

Nickyboy

6,739 posts

249 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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Can you imagine the force of qtr of a million tons slapping back into the ocean when the captain throttles off, every port it calls would be wiped out by the tidal wave it makes when approaching.

SystemParanoia

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Monday 17th August 2009
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lol, be like attending a ship launch

GreenV8S

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Monday 17th August 2009
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If a supertanker takes 20 miles to stop now from (say) 15 knots, what's it going to take when it's planing?

village idiot

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282 months

Monday 17th August 2009
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SystemParanoia said:
its a shame civilian craft cant just buy Nimitz class propulsion systems.

with a bit of tweaking who know what the output could be pushed too!


ETA : Nimitz class carrier weighs 100,000 tonnes and can do 30 knots!

Edited by SystemParanoia on Monday 17th August 19:05
basic laws of physics explain the 30 knots capability... it's all about length and girth old chap!... warships are long and thin which enables them to go nice and quick in full displacement mode.

with boats you have the choice of full displacement or planing vessels (semi-displacement vessels are usually displacement hulls with stupidly large engines)

as for hydrofoil ships... one of the known causes of ships being lost at sea is for their backs to break when travelling through extreme waves (effectively snapping in two and sinking within a matter of seconds)... if you popped a tanker or container vessel up on foils, you would suffer from the same issue with the vessel unable to support itself.

SystemParanoia

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Monday 17th August 2009
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deevlash said:
screw that, what you want is a massive ekranoplan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgtaeRZjWNc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SYWO4w0ias&feature=related

brilliant!

deevlash

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Monday 17th August 2009
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thats cool!