Memorial Flight Hurricane Sold to India
Memorial Flight Hurricane Sold to India
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Eric Mc

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Friday 2nd October 2009
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Just read in Aeroplane Monthly that LF363 is going to be sold to India. The Indian Air Force is starting its own historic flight and has negotiated a deal with the MoD.


Lefty Guns

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218 months

Friday 2nd October 2009
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There's an advert in this months classic and sports car for a Hurricane that's going to auction at Bonhams in Oz soon, this the same one?

confused

Eric Mc

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Friday 2nd October 2009
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Wouldn't have thought so. It's been sold - not auctioned.

Lefty Guns

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218 months

Friday 2nd October 2009
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Any idea how many beer-tokens it went for?

Must be at least seven figures (gbp). IIRC it's possible to get a decent P-51 for around usd 1m and there are a darn sight fewer Hurricanes than 'Stangs around.

I must empty my piggy bank one of these days...

Eric Mc

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Friday 2nd October 2009
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The UK is pretty well off for Hurricanes these days. At one point the two operated by the Memorial Flight were the only airworthy examples in the UK. That is not the case anymore.


In fact, the oldest and most historic airworthy Hurricane flying in Britain today was found in India - so it might be considered a fair exchange (up to a point).


Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 2nd October 13:13

Lefty Guns

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Friday 2nd October 2009
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That's interesting.

I seem ton recall that there's a resto company who will actually build-to-order? Not sure if that's a complete new build from drawings/specs or if they have a stock of non-airworthy airframes that they then restore to flying status.

FourWheelDrift

91,021 posts

300 months

Friday 2nd October 2009
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Lefty Guns said:
That's interesting.

I seem ton recall that there's a resto company who will actually build-to-order? Not sure if that's a complete new build from drawings/specs or if they have a stock of non-airworthy airframes that they then restore to flying status.
That might the company near Audley End who rebuilt LF363 after it burned out after the crash in the early 90s. They would have a lot of experience in those things.

dr_gn

16,566 posts

200 months

Friday 2nd October 2009
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Eric Mc said:
Just read in Aeroplane Monthly that LF363 is going to be sold to India. The Indian Air Force is starting its own historic flight and has negotiated a deal with the MoD.

Tragic.

eharding

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300 months

Friday 2nd October 2009
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dr_gn said:
Tragic.
Actually, I think it's a good deal for everyone involved - both India and the UK will end up with more appropriate airframes for their respective historic flights.

Hopefully, this is the first of a number of interesting types the IAF have tucked away which will end up being restored. I do know that during the initial negotiations, they were quite keen to have Liberator restored, but it was wisely agreed to start with something a bit less challenging.

Edited by eharding on Saturday 3rd October 00:05

FourWheelDrift

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Friday 2nd October 2009
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Considering in 2008 Winky set out a 3yr £825million aid package to India, why since they have a bigger economy to us is anyones guess. Anyway, here's a thought, hypothetically they have bought the Hurricane from the MOD using money we gave them. Or to put it another way, we bought something we already owned then gave it to India for free.

dr_gn

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Saturday 3rd October 2009
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FourWheelDrift said:
Considering in 2008 Winky set out a 3yr £825million aid package to India, why since they have a bigger economy to us is anyones guess. Anyway, here's a thought, hypothetically they have bought the Hurricane from the MOD using money we gave them. Or to put it another way, we bought something we already owned then gave it to India for free.
...Tragic.

eharding

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Saturday 3rd October 2009
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FourWheelDrift said:
Considering in 2008 Winky set out a 3yr £825million aid package to India, why since they have a bigger economy to us is anyones guess. Anyway, here's a thought, hypothetically they have bought the Hurricane from the MOD using money we gave them. Or to put it another way, we bought something we already owned then gave it to India for free.
I'm not in favour of Winky's general reckless largesse with our money either, but in this particular case, even if you could hypothecate the amount the IAF are going to spend on restoring the exchange airframe, where *exactly* do you think that money is going to be spent? The IAF and HAL (another partner in this affair) are fully conversant with the issues and challenges involved with warbird restoration - you can expect to see a substantial chunk of the restoration work going to the UK specialist companies who have the expertise in this area.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 3rd October 2009
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I too am not THAT upset about this. It is good that India is now in a position to start restoring and honouring its aviation heritage - which is quite substantial in its own right.

aeropilot

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243 months

Saturday 3rd October 2009
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eharding said:
The IAF and HAL (another partner in this affair) are fully conversant with the issues and challenges involved with warbird restoration
laugh


bobthemonkey

4,112 posts

232 months

Sunday 4th October 2009
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According to Percy Prune, the deal is that the IAF will get the Hurricane in question only when its replacement is flying with the BBMF.

Its replacement is an older aircraft with confirmed BoB kills, unlike LF which entered service towards the end of the war and did a bulk of its flying in movies.

dr_gn

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Sunday 4th October 2009
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eharding said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Considering in 2008 Winky set out a 3yr £825million aid package to India, why since they have a bigger economy to us is anyones guess. Anyway, here's a thought, hypothetically they have bought the Hurricane from the MOD using money we gave them. Or to put it another way, we bought something we already owned then gave it to India for free.
I'm not in favour of Winky's general reckless largesse with our money either, but in this particular case, even if you could hypothecate the amount the IAF are going to spend on restoring the exchange airframe, where *exactly* do you think that money is going to be spent? The IAF and HAL (another partner in this affair) are fully conversant with the issues and challenges involved with warbird restoration - you can expect to see a substantial chunk of the restoration work going to the UK specialist companies who have the expertise in this area.
Over 450 million people in India live below the poverty line (according to the numerous charities my wife insists of donating hard earned cash to) and yet they are rich enough to buy this relic? Glad to know our money is going to a good cause. My God...

eharding

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Sunday 4th October 2009
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dr_gn said:
Over 450 million people in India live below the poverty line (according to the numerous charities my wife insists of donating hard earned cash to)
In that case, I'd suggest ditching the wife - it might make you a lot less bitter and miserable.

dr_gn

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Sunday 4th October 2009
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eharding said:
dr_gn said:
Over 450 million people in India live below the poverty line (according to the numerous charities my wife insists of donating hard earned cash to)
In that case, I'd suggest ditching the wife - it might make you a lot less bitter and miserable.
I'm sure it's not half as bitter and miserable as the poor sods who are living in the gutter while their government pisses money away on irrelevances.

Point well missed BTW.

eharding

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Sunday 4th October 2009
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dr_gn said:
I'm sure it's not half as bitter and miserable as the poor sods who are living in the gutter while their government pisses money away on irrelevances.
By that measure, you should be advocating the abolition of the BBMF?


FourWheelDrift

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Sunday 4th October 2009
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eharding said:
dr_gn said:
I'm sure it's not half as bitter and miserable as the poor sods who are living in the gutter while their government pisses money away on irrelevances.
By that measure, you should be advocating the abolition of the BBMF?

We don't live in a 3rd world country full of poverty, so stop being so obtuse.