Can anyone ID this stunt plane please?
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Can anyone help me identify the beastie below please? It looks like an MX2 (suppose it should be an MX5 on PH!) and the registration certainly appears to be G-??MX. It just buzzed chateau Zad about half an hour ago (5pm ish) low flying, stall turns.. All in all quite a nifty display for suburban North Wakefield!
Here is the model I think it was:
ETA: Searching the GINFO database doesn't give any meaningful results.
Here is the model I think it was:
ETA: Searching the GINFO database doesn't give any meaningful results.
Edited by Zad on Saturday 15th May 17:41
Looks like Extra EA-300L G - DUKK
You can even have a go in it. It's based not far from you.
http://www.extraaviation.co.uk/
You can even have a go in it. It's based not far from you.
http://www.extraaviation.co.uk/
Edited by el stovey on Saturday 15th May 18:49
Update. This plane crashed on Saturday afternoon, killing the pilot.
Bugger. There are way, way too many coincidences in my life. And never the good sort.
It is definitely the same plane, as the Yorkshire Post has a photo of the wreckage. Easy to say so after the event, but when it was over here (might not even have been the same pilot) it did make me feel uneasy, which makes me wonder if he was fond of pushing the envelope a bit too far, without leaving himself enough emergency recovery space.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/39Gifted39-pil...
Bugger. There are way, way too many coincidences in my life. And never the good sort.
It is definitely the same plane, as the Yorkshire Post has a photo of the wreckage. Easy to say so after the event, but when it was over here (might not even have been the same pilot) it did make me feel uneasy, which makes me wonder if he was fond of pushing the envelope a bit too far, without leaving himself enough emergency recovery space.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/39Gifted39-pil...
Zad said:
It is definitely the same plane, as the Yorkshire Post has a photo of the wreckage. Easy to say so after the event, but when it was over here (might not even have been the same pilot) it did make me feel uneasy, which makes me wonder if he was fond of pushing the envelope a bit too far, without leaving himself enough emergency recovery space.
Uninformed speculation is the common currency of forums such as this, but invariably is at best worthless, and more than often objectionable to a subset of the readership.The formal investigation will be published in due course. Informally, the Extra operating community and the broader collection of display pilots will, justifiably, want to know if there are any specific circumstances or equipment failure modes which had a bearing on this accident as soon as possible, but those conversations are going on in private, and rightly so.
The pilot concerned in the accident was an airline professional as well as an experienced aerobatic pilot and instructor, and in my experience that combination invariably gives rise to individuals with excellent appreciation of the risk factors involved in aerobatic flying - hence I find your speculation about his competency rather distasteful, to say the least.
eharding said:
The pilot concerned in the accident was an airline professional as well as an experienced aerobatic pilot and instructor, and in my experience that combination invariably gives rise to individuals with excellent appreciation of the risk factors involved in aerobatic flying - hence I find your speculation about his competency rather distasteful, to say the least.
Are you one of the PPRuNE thought police? Well, this isn't PPRuNE, nor is it a formal or informal investigation, and that was my open and honest opinion of whoever was flying over my house. If you had seen him, the you wouldn't have been surprised either. I'm sorry if you disagree with it, but that's your problem. Yes, it may be a hidden structural or power failure, and I am hugely sorry for his family and friends. Am I allowed to make a comment about Old pilots and Bold pilots? No? I don't need to do I.
Zad said:
eharding said:
The pilot concerned in the accident was an airline professional as well as an experienced aerobatic pilot and instructor, and in my experience that combination invariably gives rise to individuals with excellent appreciation of the risk factors involved in aerobatic flying - hence I find your speculation about his competency rather distasteful, to say the least.
Are you one of the PPRuNE thought police? Well, this isn't PPRuNE, nor is it a formal or informal investigation, and that was my open and honest opinion of whoever was flying over my house. If you had seen him, the you wouldn't have been surprised either. I'm sorry if you disagree with it, but that's your problem. Yes, it may be a hidden structural or power failure, and I am hugely sorry for his family and friends. Am I allowed to make a comment about Old pilots and Bold pilots? No? I don't need to do I.
As you have already asserted, you have no idea as to the correlation between who was flying the aircraft on any particular occasion, and who was flying it when the accident occurred.
I'm hardly the Pprune police - and my identity on either forum is hardly a secret.
The incorrect assertion as to the identity of the airframe involved by some other equally over-enthusiastic "enthusiast" on the Pprune forum gave rise to a lot of needless heartache for a lot of us.
There are old pilots, and bold pilots...and there are those who aren't pilots. Please tell us which category in which you reside, as if we need to guess.
Edited by eharding on Tuesday 22 June 00:00
Zad, I think what eharding is trying to tell you is that the aerobatic community is a small one. Most of these pilots know each other or certainly know of each other. They probably fly much of the same aircraft.
When someone dies like this, pilots usually feel loss and think 'there but for the grace of god go I' and then want to know what went wrong so they can try and learn from it to avoid it happening to themselves. They generally find early on public idle speculation about the cause of the accident distasteful as they A) usually know the pilot and B) wouldn't want their loved ones having to read the same automatic uninformed suggestion the pilot was in the wrong themselves.
My family know that if I end up in some kind of exciting crash, firstly 'internet experts' will shout "pilot error" before any of the facts have emerged. The media will read these online experts ramblings on pprune etc and report "aviation experts have suggested the pilot could have been at fault" All someone needs to be an internet expert is a way of accessing the internet. I once posted something clearly wildly incorrect on pprune (as a bit of a laugh) and it was made reference to on SKY news. No verification of the facts were made at all.
Look at old Ex BA Captain Peter Burkill involved in the BA 777 crash in LHR. Paraded as a hero then hounded out of BA by whispering campaigns whilst flight sim experts posted on pprune with great authority how he should have done it. Even Sully "Hero of the hudson" Sullenberger had the same experts claiming he should have done this or that after trying it out on flight sim '98. (It's just like the real thing). That's the trouble with aviation related internet forums, they give everyone an equal voice and anyone can comment as the owners want the numbers up.. That's great for some but not if you are interested in finding facts.
Most pilots accept this as part of being a pilot but they don't have to like it. You can perhaps understand why eharding doesn't like automatic suggestion one of his community was in the wrong before any facts have emerged by someone who perhaps doesn't know a great deal about the event.
When someone dies like this, pilots usually feel loss and think 'there but for the grace of god go I' and then want to know what went wrong so they can try and learn from it to avoid it happening to themselves. They generally find early on public idle speculation about the cause of the accident distasteful as they A) usually know the pilot and B) wouldn't want their loved ones having to read the same automatic uninformed suggestion the pilot was in the wrong themselves.
My family know that if I end up in some kind of exciting crash, firstly 'internet experts' will shout "pilot error" before any of the facts have emerged. The media will read these online experts ramblings on pprune etc and report "aviation experts have suggested the pilot could have been at fault" All someone needs to be an internet expert is a way of accessing the internet. I once posted something clearly wildly incorrect on pprune (as a bit of a laugh) and it was made reference to on SKY news. No verification of the facts were made at all.
Look at old Ex BA Captain Peter Burkill involved in the BA 777 crash in LHR. Paraded as a hero then hounded out of BA by whispering campaigns whilst flight sim experts posted on pprune with great authority how he should have done it. Even Sully "Hero of the hudson" Sullenberger had the same experts claiming he should have done this or that after trying it out on flight sim '98. (It's just like the real thing). That's the trouble with aviation related internet forums, they give everyone an equal voice and anyone can comment as the owners want the numbers up.. That's great for some but not if you are interested in finding facts.
Most pilots accept this as part of being a pilot but they don't have to like it. You can perhaps understand why eharding doesn't like automatic suggestion one of his community was in the wrong before any facts have emerged by someone who perhaps doesn't know a great deal about the event.
el stovey said:
Even Sully "Hero of the hudson" Sullenberger had the same experts claiming he should have done this or that after trying it out on flight sim '98. (It's just like the real thing).
I read an article in - I think - The Sunday Times Magazine a while ago regarding this. The article concluded that the Airbus type involved had so much computer assistance that the skill level of Sullenberger had been vastly overstated, and that effectively anyone could have done it. As far as I know, the author wasn't a pilot himself, but he said that the Airbus designers deserved as much (if not more)credit as the pilot. At the time I though it was a strange article to publish, at least so soon after the event.
dr_gn said:
el stovey said:
Even Sully "Hero of the hudson" Sullenberger had the same experts claiming he should have done this or that after trying it out on flight sim '98. (It's just like the real thing).
I read an article in - I think - The Sunday Times Magazine a while ago regarding this. The article concluded that the Airbus type involved had so much computer assistance that the skill level of Sullenberger had been vastly overstated, and that effectively anyone could have done it. As far as I know, the author wasn't a pilot himself, but he said that the Airbus designers deserved as much (if not more)credit as the pilot. At the time I though it was a strange article to publish, at least so soon after the event.
As I said on another thread, media reporting is often at an abysmally low level these days.
Everyone is an expert - or so it seems.
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