Moorland firefighting
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mattviatura

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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I saw quite a fire yesterday and it's being discussed on the radio at the minute.

Can helicopters dropping water really make that much of a difference, it looks (to my uninformed eye) to be a bit of a waste of effort?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Didn't realise we had fire fighting choppers in the UK.

mattviatura

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Someone on the radio was just talking about them, I didn't see any evidence yesterday but I'm sure I've heard of them being used before.

Assuming I'm wrong, I've at least seen them on TV before (Australia?) and it just seems a bit like tipping a cupful of water on a bonfire.

Munter

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Didn't realise we had fire fighting choppers in the UK.
I was surprised but it was mentioned on the BBC news this morning. Used in Scotland apparently.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-is...


mattviatura

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Pennine Helicopters in Saddleworth offers the service on their website.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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They really need one of these -


maffski

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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The authorities don't have them, but some of the airlift companies do - probably a good way to make money for the cost of a big bucket - http://www.airbournesolutions.co.uk/services-fire.... I would have thought in this contry the main heli work would be powerline.

I think the aim isn't to put the fires out, but cool and control the spread so people on the ground can deal with it before it's too big. If the winds are consistent enough and you can stop it spreading then it will burn itself out.

mattviatura

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What are they doing in that picture?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Damping down unburned areas and creating firebreaks would be the most effective use I would say.

Munter

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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mattviatura said:
What are they doing in that picture?
They are collecting water from the sea/lake.

So is this guy!

Fat Albert

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210 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Nah what you need is this:


or this:

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Except they are one offs and far away.

There was also a Mil 26 firefighter variant - which I saw demonstrated at the 1992 Farnborough Air Show. That was impressive.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Chinooks can be rigged with a Rainmaker which lifts about three tonnes of water, so call it 3000 litres, although I think most if not all of the RAF's kit has been binned since it got used so infrequently.
Used one once in the Falkands after a really, really panicky phonecall from the refuel site at Port Howard which went along the lines of "It's all on fire......help...send someone.....it's burning......".

Eric Mc

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Crossflow Kid said:
Chinooks can be rigged with a Rainmaker which lifts about three tonnes of water, so call it 3000 litres, although I think most if not all of the RAF's kit has been binned since it got used so infrequently.
Used one once in the Falkands after a really, really panicky phonecall from the refuel site at Port Howard which went along the lines of "It's all on fire......help...send someone.....it's burning......".
Probably a chip pan.

motomk

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Eric Mc said:
They really need one of these -

In Oz they use these. They send about 4 or 5 of them down every summer from the USA.
They also use the S61 too and various Bells.
In WA they use Crop sprayer type aircaft, big radial powered things! with Squirrels as spotters. Last year we did have the DC10 firebomber here in Victoria but don't think it was used much. This year they had something a bit smaller but I can't remember what it was. Convair maybe?

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Not many big radial engined crop sprayers around any more. Sounds like you might be referring to the older Canadair flying boat, the 215.



The later 415 has turboprops.

anonymous-user

83 months

Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Chinooks can be rigged with a Rainmaker which lifts about three tonnes of water, so call it 3000 litres, although I think most if not all of the RAF's kit has been binned since it got used so infrequently.
Used one once in the Falkands after a really, really panicky phonecall from the refuel site at Port Howard which went along the lines of "It's all on fire......help...send someone.....it's burning......".
Probably a chip pan.
Funnily enough Eric, it wasn't.
Large swathes of the heather were smouldering, with the fire spreading underground towards the BFI.
With a little direction from Trumpton's finest, we dropped about 30,000 litres of sea water, and one fish, on the general area to damp it down enough for the landowner to get amongst it with a JCB and cut proper firebreaks.
Not sure the quantity of water was pivotal to the outcome, more the ability to provide a fire fighting capability by air in an area otherwise cut off from the outside world.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Was the fish a bit well done? smile

anonymous-user

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Eric Mc said:
Was the fish a bit well done? smile
Nah, it was one o' them flying fish wink

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 3rd May 2011
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Not a "frying" fish then.