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rallen

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92 posts

253 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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My b-i-l told me ages ago that when he was in his teens he worked there repackaging eggs that had expired...

A few days ago I bought Organic Beef mince to make burgers with, and I must say it was the most disgusting meat ever. It had pieces of cartilege and a lot of stringy fat, I cannot begin to imagine what pieces of meat they used to produce this junk. I am now also suspicious it was even not organic, not beef and not from the UK...

KTF

10,618 posts

179 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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Nice story about the eggs but what relevance does it have here?

You cant tell that something is organic by looking at it.

Mince isnt going to be made out of grade A steak whether it is organic or not.

If you have an issue then take it back to the store you bought it from.


pad58

12,549 posts

210 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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By your discription it's shin beef.
You have to believe this practice goes on every day.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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KTF said:
Mince isnt going to be made out of grade A steak whether it is organic or not.
Buy whatever cut of meat you like (preferably from a real butcher) and mince it. Or ask the butcher to do it for you.

neilsie

952 posts

275 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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i used to work at a butchers in my teens.. mince was made out of whatever was lying around. it's rarely going to include prime cuts.
it was always minced at least twice, and blood from the drip trays was sometimes needed to make it look leaner.


- it's all meat

if you want to know what's in your mince, buy your own joint and mince yourself.

LaserTam

2,183 posts

248 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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Organic mince is still mince. The bits and bobs that go into it may well be part of the organic cow but they are still bits and bobs, just organic bits and bobs.

Simpo Two

92,623 posts

294 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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'Organic' just means pesticide-free. To a scientist or anyone with a glimmer of chemistry it's a ridiculous term as all meat is organic.

For some reason it is now associated with being the best. You got pesticide-free gristle.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

230 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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Supermarket mince is going to be 90% lips and aholes - in this case possibly pesticide free lips and aholes.

Kudos

2,674 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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Tanguero said:
Supermarket mince is going to be 90% lips and aholes - in this case possibly pesticide free lips and aholes.
Why is there a perception that everything from the supermarket is crap, but from the local butcher is top notch. Plenty of dodgy butchers out there as highlighted above!

Pferdestarke

7,192 posts

216 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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Think about why we mince food and especially meat. We need to change the texture of otherwise tough and potentially unpalatable cuts so that they don't go to waste. Mince is dry without fat. Thankfully the fattier cuts are often utilised but suet and other fats are added to bring up the percentage.

Mince has become acceptable as it makes burgers, bolognese and many other dishes where we don't question the contents of the meat elements.

Butcher, supermarket, farmers' market, organic or otherwise, most mince is made from certain cuts we otherwise couldn't identify with PLUS waste from other joints. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as you accept what you're eating and aren't under any illusions about where it comes from.

pad58

12,549 posts

210 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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In a butchers shop there is normally 2 types of mince, Mince and steak mince.
Mince is normally off cuts and trim,also made into burgers.
Steak mince would be made from chuck, or shoulder steak.
One company I worked for sold a mince made from lamb,beef and pork,with some ox heart in for redness,this was sold to cafes or hotels that don't like paying for the best mince.
In all fairness it was tasty.

steveo3002

11,200 posts

203 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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used to have the odd pack of mince from supermarkets , never the budget stuff and was never keen on it at all

then we started using a decent butchers and costco and the differance is like night and day , so yeah god knows what youre getting at the supermarkets

wont buy any meat at the supermarkets now

Mobile Chicane

21,977 posts

241 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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Every Central/Eastern European household has a cast iron meat mincer you turn by hand. Very handy if you want to know what meat you're mincing.

It's also great for turning leftover roast into cottage pie, and mincing chicken livers for paté.

Pferdestarke

7,192 posts

216 months

Wednesday 24th April 2013
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steveo3002 said:
used to have the odd pack of mince from supermarkets

then we started using a decent butchers and costco

wont buy any meat at the supermarkets now
Why? Because Costco have different cows and pigs than Sainsbury's?

I buy most meat by sight and price. I had a pair of fantastic air dried rump steaks from a Morrison's recently and they beat anything my local artisan butcher was offering that day.

As someone said earlier in this thread, don't think that independent butchers are always better or giving you a fairer deal.

I'm staying in a tiny village in Cornwall this week. On Monday I went to the butchers and asked for some pork belly. He used every sales tactic in the book to upsell and increase the quantity and I ended up spending more than I intended. Thankfully it was a good piece but he left me feeling annoyed and out of pocket.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

230 months

Thursday 25th April 2013
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Kudos said:
Tanguero said:
Supermarket mince is going to be 90% lips and aholes - in this case possibly pesticide free lips and aholes.
Why is there a perception that everything from the supermarket is crap, but from the local butcher is top notch. Plenty of dodgy butchers out there as highlighted above!
Because recently many supermarket minced "beef" products turned out to be horse? There is far less transparency as to what is being sold and supermarkets to a man push supplier margins down to the point where quality is dubious at best.

You are right, there are some dodgy butchers, but as a broad generality, its easier to know what you are buying at a butcher particularly if you choose the cut of meat you want and ask them to mince it for you.

dundarach

6,207 posts

257 months

Thursday 25th April 2013
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Like so many things in life, personal responsibility is sadly lacking...

It's your choice what and where you buy things.

MMMM shin beef, fatty meat is tasty meat.

steveo3002

11,200 posts

203 months

Thursday 25th April 2013
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Pferdestarke said:
Why? Because Costco have different cows and pigs than Sainsbury's?
i assume they dont sell the lowest quality dregs bulked up with water or god knows what

i can only go by what i see and taste...and i like it