Boring Thread Alert - Aldi Alcohol Id Policy/Think 25 Policy

[GTIAlex]

Can someone with better google skills than me point me in the direction of any official wording for Aldis Think 25 Policy?

Reason being that I was refused sale of alcohol even though I am a long way past 18 (Had ID o prove) because I was shopping with someone who they believed to be under 25/18.

I happen to work for another supermarket chain and know that they were in the wrong to do this under the policy I have been taught, as they had no evidence that I was purchasing for an under aged person as this would make it a Proxy sale.

Boring i know but just intrigued as to whether different places run a different policy.

[sgrimshaw]

GTIAlex said:

Can someone with better google skills than me point me in the direction of any official wording for Aldis Think 25 Policy?
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No problem.

Type "Aldi alcohol policy" into www.google.co.uk.

Then press the Enter key.

Here you go

http://bit.ly/1glud0Y

[CubanPete]

GTIAlex said:

....... different places run a different policy.

[Dr G]

Not wildly uncommon.

Last year in a pub (5 of us) having ordered food without issue (one person ordered at bar) went back to bar for a round of drinks for all 5 of us a couple of minutes later. Friend came to bar with me to help carry drinks, she was 29 at the time but looks fairly young. Refused service even though she only wanted a coke (the rest of us were drinking).

No round ordered, cancelled all 5 meals and got a refund. Then ate/drank in pub up the road with no issue.

[The Nur]

GTIAlex said:

Can someone with better google skills than me point me in the direction of any official wording for Aldis Think 25 Policy?

Reason being that I was refused sale of alcohol even though I am a long way past 18 (Had ID o prove) because I was shopping with someone who they believed to be under 25/18.

I happen to work for another supermarket chain and know that they were in the wrong to do this under the policy I have been taught, as they had no evidence that I was purchasing for an under aged person as this would make it a Proxy sale.

Boring i know but just intrigued as to whether different places run a different policy.

What sort of evidence would you expect them to provide you with to justify their decision? You were shopping with someone who the staff thought appeared to be under age. They don't have to run it past 3 members of staff to justify the decision or provide any evidence.

Why, exactly, do you think they were in the wrong?

[dazco]

The Nur said:

What sort of evidence would you expect them to provide you with to justify their decision? You were shopping with someone who the staff thought appeared to be under age. They don't have to run it past 3 members of staff to justify the decision or provide any evidence.

Why, exactly, do you think they were in the wrong?

Do you think they were in the right?

So can parents out shopping with their kids not buy alcohol anymore?

[The Nur]

dazco said:

Do you think they were in the right?

So can parents out shopping with their kids not buy alcohol anymore?

Yes they were right, if one of the group appeared under 25 and they approached the till together then the staff did exactly as they should. I wasn't there so I obviously don't know the circumstances and the OP hasn't put in a great deal of information but if you are going to walk up to the till as a group (i.e. a group of friends, not an obvious mother/father/parent and child combo ) and one of you appears to be below 25 then you really should expect to get ID'd, especially if you work in retail and know the rules.

[dazco]

The Nur said:

Yes they were right, if one of the group appeared under 25 and they approached the till together then the staff did exactly as they should. I wasn't there so I obviously don't know the circumstances and the OP hasn't put in a great deal of information but if you are going to walk up to the till as a group (i.e. a group of friends, not an obvious mother/father/parent and child combo ) and one of you appears to be below 25 then you really should expect to get ID'd, especially if you work in retail and know the rules.

Rules?

Where are these rules?

I have an alcohol license and have never been informed of these rules. Can you send me a link?

[The Nur]

dazco said:

Rules?

Where are these rules?

I have an alcohol license and have never been informed of these rules. Can you send me a link?

The rules that the store chain has in place, not rules that control the responsibilities of the seller

[Hugo a Gogo]

you will have been informed that you have to have a good age verification policy in place, as all retail places do, such as Challenge 21 or Challenge 25

those rules, clearly

[dazco]

The Nur said:

The rules that the store chain has in place, not rules that control the responsibilities of the seller

I am confused. Are you saying every shop does this? Because they don't. Do you work for Aldi, because there is nothing on their website about it.

And do you think this policy is the right thing to do? There are already legal barriers in place concerning the selling of alcohol, do you think a shop needs to put their own rules and regulations as well? The are a shop, not the makers of laws.

[NPI]

dazco said:

I am confused. Are you saying every shop does this? Because they don't.

Tesco is famous for doing this.

[Hugo a Gogo]

yes, to get an alcohol licence, a shop needs to show it has rules in place

[dazco]

Hugo a Gogo said:

you will have been informed that you have to have a good age verification policy in place, as all retail places do, such as Challenge 21 or Challenge 25

those rules, clearly

We use challenge 25 but it only applies to the person buying the alcohol. We could not possibly start refusing alcohol sales to any adults who are in the company of under 18's, it's a ludicrous thought.

Obviously if a legal aged person is suspected of buying it for some underagers (and I had good reason to think so) then I would refuse just to protect my license, but to block out anyone who might be fraternizing with someone who is under 18 is just plain daft.

A person selling the alcohol has a responsibility to make sure it is sold to someone who is legally entitled to buy it, they cannot possibly then take on the responsibility of what happens to that alcohol once it is bought.
And the day where shop tenders are deciding who should have what and when will be a very sad day indeed.

[dazco]

Hugo a Gogo said:

yes, to get an alcohol licence, a shop needs to show it has rules in place

But they don't have to show that the rules include some draconian mind warp trick regarding what the purchaser might end up doing with the alcohol.

I feel I am on my own here, in thinking that this is a crazy idea. Let me see if I have this right because I am obviously missing something.

A person who is 40 years old goes into a shop to buy a bottle of beer. He is also with someone (his nephew) who is not yet 18 and the shop will not hand over the ale?


And people think this is ok?

[NPI]

dazco said:

So can parents out shopping with their kids not buy alcohol anymore?

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/dec/09/asda-...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-566340/Tes...

[The Nur]

dazco said:

But they don't have to show that the rules include some draconian mind warp trick regarding what the purchaser might end up doing with the alcohol.

I feel I am on my own here, in thinking that this is a crazy idea. Let me see if I have this right because I am obviously missing something.

A person who is 40 years old goes into a shop to buy a bottle of beer. He is also with someone (his nephew) who is not yet 18 and the shop will not hand over the ale?


And people think this is ok?

You are slightly missing the point, if I am honest. The idea is that it is to prevent, for example, groups of kids where some may be over and some may be under the age to buy alcohol. If you see the group enter the store together or queue together and some are attempting to buy alcohol and you have the idea that the alcohol may be for the consumption of those who are under age then you refuse service.

Obviously, if it is an adult with their child or nephew or similar then you don't have to apply it. It is down to the discretion of the cashier and intended to prevent those who are underage from obtaining alcohol through those who are of age to buy it. It is not a steadfast rule that must be applied in every situation.

[Hugo a Gogo]

it's not OK, but it's quite a common rule

a shop would get in trouble from licencing if one bloke over 18 with ID was buying booze for all his under age mates outside, they'd probably lose their licence

and for a supermarket, that's a lot of money gone

[dazco]

Sounds to me like some silly bint who did not know the rules did this one day and got backed up by her bosses.

Nice to see Asda are making themselves the nations moral compass, ironic considering the number of kids it makes fat by peddling it's low goodness junk.


So it would seem it is not any stores policy but just at the whim of the till operator.

[Hugo a Gogo]

the possibility of losing your job for NOT selling alcohol is much lower than your chances for going ahead and selling it