Help save our hospitality industry
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I hope I’m not duplicating anything here…
Let’s try to push the government into some sort of flexibility for recruitment of foreign workers for our valuable restaurants etc. Otherwise, due to no fault of their own, they’ll start closing. (I still won’t be visiting any ‘Spoons, obviously)
Let’s try to push the government into some sort of flexibility for recruitment of foreign workers for our valuable restaurants etc. Otherwise, due to no fault of their own, they’ll start closing. (I still won’t be visiting any ‘Spoons, obviously)
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Tony1963 said:
No, we don’t.
The UK probably does have enough unemployed to fill the jobs but not with the skills or willingness to do so.I can only speak from first hand experience in kitchens but there is a massive shortage of cooks and chefs at the lower end which is having a ripple effect upwards leading to increases in salaries all around.
Well we as a nation voted to restrict easy immigration from the EU so I guess companies will just have to suck it up and sort out the wages and working conditions to make jobs in the sectors that relied on EU workers attractive to UK born workers.
If that means things become more expensive for consumers to bad.
If that means things become more expensive for consumers to bad.
CarCrazyDad said:
Is it that there aren't enough people to fill the roles or is that the jobs are paid so poorly or with such bad contracts that no native wants the job?
Seems more like it. Maybe hospitality should look to improve working conditions then people will be falling over to do it.citizensm1th said:
If that means things become more expensive for consumers to bad.
Which means many will close. As I said. Another benefit of leaving the EU, we return to the 1970s standards of restaurants and only the wealthy can afford a decent meal out.
Well done for being so blinkered.
Tony1963 said:
citizensm1th said:
If that means things become more expensive for consumers to bad.
Which means many will close. As I said. Another benefit of leaving the EU, we return to the 1970s standards of restaurants and only the wealthy can afford a decent meal out.
Well done for being so blinkered.
Don't worry though any trade deal with India will include easier immigration so you will get your wage slaves.
CarCrazyDad said:
Is it that there aren't enough people to fill the roles or is that the jobs are paid so poorly or with such bad contracts that no native wants the job?
A full time hospitality worker can clear about £20k gross + whatever you can make in tips. Tips can make several hundered extra a month. Cash tips are never declared officially. Zero hour contracts are common. Contracts for hourly paid employees for X number of hours always come with the proviso of 'you will get X hours depending on levels of business'
Only salaried staff have their hours guaranteed but in the quiet times they have to pick up and do extra hours when they cant afford to pay the hourly staff (levels of business)
citizensm1th said:
Well we as a nation voted to restrict easy immigration from the EU so I guess companies will just have to suck it up and sort out the wages and working conditions to make jobs in the sectors that relied on EU workers attractive to UK born workers.
If that means things become more expensive for consumers to bad.
Exactly so, very well said. I too voted remain. If that means things become more expensive for consumers to bad.
wisbech said:
Raise the salary to £25,600 (with no silly zero hour schemes - that as minimum guaranteed salary), then you can bring in migrants.
So a minimum wage of £12.31 an hour based on a 40 hour week. You are looking at more than £3 extra per hour compared to current minimum wage. It will work fine as long as you are happy paying £7 for a pint of carling. Other beer worth drinking will be heading towards £9 a pint in this situation.
Then you have the problem that alot of middle managers will be on essentially minimum wage unless you start paying them £30k+ a year
Edited by sherman on Sunday 6th June 12:24
sherman said:
So a minimum wage of £12.31 an hour based on a 40 hour week. You are looking at more than £3 extra per hour compared to current minimum wage.
It will work fine as long as you are happy paying £7 for a pint of carling.
But that's the limit set by the government for the new immigration rules.It will work fine as long as you are happy paying £7 for a pint of carling.
Surely increased wages for the low paid are a good thing?
I was talking to my mate last night who runs a couple of pizza restaurants. In his experience, Brits just CBA to do these jobs. He'll rarely even try to take them on it's just a waste of time all round. They'll show up on day one, grumble a lot and then vanish on day two.
I worked on and off in kitchens, bars and restaurants in my teens and early tewnties. Not ideal, but it kept me busy, was usually a laugh an was better than sitting on my arse all day. Subsistence living but I could get by (just).
I worked on and off in kitchens, bars and restaurants in my teens and early tewnties. Not ideal, but it kept me busy, was usually a laugh an was better than sitting on my arse all day. Subsistence living but I could get by (just).
Edited by AC43 on Sunday 6th June 12:29
sherman said:
wisbech said:
Raise the salary to £25,600 (with no silly zero hour schemes - that as minimum guaranteed salary), then you can bring in migrants.
So a minimum wage of £12.31 an hour based on a 40 hour week. You are looking at more than £3 extra per hour compared to current minimum wage. It will work fine as long as you are happy paying £7 for a pint of carling. Other beer worth drinking will be heading towards £9 a pint in this situation.
Then you have the problem that alot of middle managers will be on essentially minimum wage unless you start paying them £30k+ a year
Edited by sherman on Sunday 6th June 12:24
And yet, the hospitality industry has not collapsed.
JeffreyD said:
sherman said:
So a minimum wage of £12.31 an hour based on a 40 hour week. You are looking at more than £3 extra per hour compared to current minimum wage.
It will work fine as long as you are happy paying £7 for a pint of carling.
But that's the limit set by the government for the new immigration rules.It will work fine as long as you are happy paying £7 for a pint of carling.
Surely increased wages for the low paid are a good thing?
Most places have enough trouble when the chancellor puts a penny on beer prices.
The way the minimum wage is slowly increasing is oerfectly acceptable. Its going to take a few more years to get to a £25k minimum but inflation will help too.
You have to remember hospitality has been shut for a year. There is no spare money for wage rises just now. For most places paying ghe rent arrears is more important this year.
It will just feel like the hospitality workers are getting a wage rise this year as they come off furlough (80%)and back to full time hours(100%).
Give you an example because of furlough and no tips Iast year I earned about £4-5k less than I normally do.
I took the hit because I knew I would eventually have a job to go back to once everything reopened.
Did you campaign to save our mining, fishing, steel, car and other manufacturing industries too or is it just the prospect of no more cheap food and drink in restaurants which concerns you?
No industry should rely on underpaid, overworked foreign labour to be viable, particularly one which brings little economic benefit to the UK economy. The employees generally don’t earn enough to pay much tax.
No industry should rely on underpaid, overworked foreign labour to be viable, particularly one which brings little economic benefit to the UK economy. The employees generally don’t earn enough to pay much tax.
wisbech said:
Which is what it is here in Australia (except 12.31 an hour is a bit low, but 7 quid - that is about the going rate for a pint of ok beer, and 9 for craft beer)
And yet, the hospitality industry has not collapsed
Are you talking in Aus dollars because they are only worth 55p in the pound. And yet, the hospitality industry has not collapsed
A £9 pint would be about Aus$16 would you pay that?
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