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Ouroboros said:
Just wondered with the big sewage dumps happening will people make a concerted effort not to eat filter feeders, like oysters,mussels or fish?
99% of those types of shell fish are farmed well away from sewage outlets. Generally not even on the same river,estuary or sealoch.
21TonyK said:
Commercial shellfish is highly regulated and water quality strictly monitored, any risk and mussels etc must be purified and if water quality dips they are simply not allowed to harvest.
Guess you aren't aware of the hepatitis A outbreak about 10 years ago, directly related to sewage dumps. God knows what the next outbreak will be.https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2016/01/26/T...
Ouroboros said:
21TonyK said:
Commercial shellfish is highly regulated and water quality strictly monitored, any risk and mussels etc must be purified and if water quality dips they are simply not allowed to harvest.
Guess you aren't aware of the hepatitis A outbreak about 10 years ago, directly related to sewage dumps. God knows what the next outbreak will be.https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2016/01/26/T...
As already mentioned most shellfish is farmed under very strict control, particularly in the UK. Either far, far away from sewage outfalls or upstream in estuaries. Biggest concern is chemical run off from farms to be honest.
I don't touch shellfish anymore for a number of reasons but I'd have few concerns about its safety.
Ouroboros said:
21TonyK said:
Commercial shellfish is highly regulated and water quality strictly monitored, any risk and mussels etc must be purified and if water quality dips they are simply not allowed to harvest.
Guess you aren't aware of the hepatitis A outbreak about 10 years ago, directly related to sewage dumps. God knows what the next outbreak will be.https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2016/01/26/T...
21TonyK said:
What it actually says is the most likely source was a case returning from Central America and secondary cases from treated sewage discharge into the suspected mussel production area... in Holland.
As already mentioned most shellfish is farmed under very strict control, particularly in the UK. Either far, far away from sewage outfalls or upstream in estuaries. Biggest concern is chemical run off from farms to be honest.
I don't touch shellfish anymore for a number of reasons but I'd have few concerns about its safety.
You made a very bold statement. I can't find the story but I watched it on YouTube. A Welsh women got hepatitis a , sewage was dumped, mussels fed off it, and spread it.As already mentioned most shellfish is farmed under very strict control, particularly in the UK. Either far, far away from sewage outfalls or upstream in estuaries. Biggest concern is chemical run off from farms to be honest.
I don't touch shellfish anymore for a number of reasons but I'd have few concerns about its safety.
You are talking e-coli, hep A amongst other things, I wouldn't be touching any filter feeders if ever.
Ouroboros said:
21TonyK said:
What it actually says is the most likely source was a case returning from Central America and secondary cases from treated sewage discharge into the suspected mussel production area... in Holland.
As already mentioned most shellfish is farmed under very strict control, particularly in the UK. Either far, far away from sewage outfalls or upstream in estuaries. Biggest concern is chemical run off from farms to be honest.
I don't touch shellfish anymore for a number of reasons but I'd have few concerns about its safety.
You made a very bold statement. I can't find the story but I watched it on YouTube. A Welsh women got hepatitis a , sewage was dumped, mussels fed off it, and spread it.As already mentioned most shellfish is farmed under very strict control, particularly in the UK. Either far, far away from sewage outfalls or upstream in estuaries. Biggest concern is chemical run off from farms to be honest.
I don't touch shellfish anymore for a number of reasons but I'd have few concerns about its safety.
You are talking e-coli, hep A amongst other things, I wouldn't be touching any filter feeders if ever.
DavidR78 said:
I am not an expert on this, but as far as I understand, the sewage dumps have nothing to do with the quality of the waters. I do not think this will pose any major threat to the sea foods we are eating. However, if you are eating seafood, you need to be aware that many of the shrimps being imported here have been raised on prawn feed laced with antibiotics & other chemicals. So it's better to stick to organic shrimps.
You are saying you dont believe that dumping raw s
t into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
DavidR78 said:
I am not an expert on this, but as far as I understand, the sewage dumps have nothing to do with the quality of the waters. I do not think this will pose any major threat to the sea foods we are eating. However, if you are eating seafood, you need to be aware that many of the shrimps being imported here have been raised on prawn feed laced with antibiotics & other chemicals. So it's better to stick to organic shrimps.
Or these (when available)https://flogrosystems.com/
Turn7 said:
You are saying you dont believe that dumping raw st into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?
Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
Agree but it's not the world is it? It's the UK?t into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
bmwmike said:
Turn7 said:
You are saying you dont believe that dumping raw st into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?
Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
Agree but it's not the world is it? It's the UK?t into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
kers in charge.Turn7 said:
Not wanting to totally derail the threadm but this country used to a Class act and something to be proud of. We are being sold down the river in the interest of greed by the wkers in charge.
No one can disagree. Look at the issue of trying to do any health and safety task, reams of paper, yet dump very toxic and damaging sewage, into our own food chain and no issues.kers in charge.Turn7 said:
You are saying you dont believe that dumping raw st into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?
Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
You need to understand what was actually dumped. This wasn't concentrated waste from a sewage site that was awaiting treatment, this was normal sewage flow with HUGE overflows of rainwater diluting it down. That's not to say it was clean by any means, but the majority of the discolouration was as a result of the water that had washed off roofs, patios and driveways into combined sewers systems from homes and simply overwhelmed the infrastructure.t into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
The water standards are still miles ahead of the filth that was common in our coastal waters only a few decades ago.
But if anyone feels like they can't sustain themselves without filter-feeders...
Ouroboros said:
No one can disagree. Look at the issue of trying to do any health and safety task, reams of paper, yet dump very toxic and damaging sewage, into our own food chain and no issues.
The alternative is that the same water is backed up and runs into homes...You can't have it both ways, water travels down stream, you either let it flow or it backs up. If people made more effort at home to capture rainwater (i.e. water butts) and limit run off (i.e. permeable surfaces) then we'd see a lot fewer of these events.
Evanivitch said:
The alternative is that the same water is backed up and runs into homes...
You can't have it both ways, water travels down stream, you either let it flow or it backs up. If people made more effort at home to capture rainwater (i.e. water butts) and limit run off (i.e. permeable surfaces) then we'd see a lot fewer of these events.
I can't believe this is the best system we have.You can't have it both ways, water travels down stream, you either let it flow or it backs up. If people made more effort at home to capture rainwater (i.e. water butts) and limit run off (i.e. permeable surfaces) then we'd see a lot fewer of these events.
Evanivitch said:
Turn7 said:
You are saying you dont believe that dumping raw st into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?
Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
You need to understand what was actually dumped. This wasn't concentrated waste from a sewage site that was awaiting treatment, this was normal sewage flow with HUGE overflows of rainwater diluting it down. That's not to say it was clean by any means, but the majority of the discolouration was as a result of the water that had washed off roofs, patios and driveways into combined sewers systems from homes and simply overwhelmed the infrastructure.t into a frgaile ecosystem wont affect anyhthing >?Really ?
I am utterly dismayed that this is even happening, we are heading backwards so fast now its hugelly sad for the world IMO.
The water standards are still miles ahead of the filth that was common in our coastal waters only a few decades ago.
But if anyone feels like they can't sustain themselves without filter-feeders...
Im so angry that this is allowed to happen in the 21st Century, its appalling.
Diluted s
t is STILL st and should be dumped into watercourses regardless.Ouroboros said:
Evanivitch said:
The alternative is that the same water is backed up and runs into homes...
You can't have it both ways, water travels down stream, you either let it flow or it backs up. If people made more effort at home to capture rainwater (i.e. water butts) and limit run off (i.e. permeable surfaces) then we'd see a lot fewer of these events.
I can't believe this is the best system we have.You can't have it both ways, water travels down stream, you either let it flow or it backs up. If people made more effort at home to capture rainwater (i.e. water butts) and limit run off (i.e. permeable surfaces) then we'd see a lot fewer of these events.
Dig up every garden and street and ensure everyone has separate waste water and rainwater systems. One goes to central sewer, other goes to water courses or attenuation ponds.
Or, dog up every major sewage line (under most streets) and increase the maximum possible flow rate by at least double, and also vastly increase the holding ponds at the treatment plants by several times their existing capacity.
All expensive and massively disruptive.
Alternatively, we start at home and all take some responsibility for our own surface run-off. Most homes have some space for 200-1000l worth of water storage. If everyone had a gentle reminder to empty their water butts onto the garden before a stormwater event, it would go some way to limiting down stream effects.
Turn7 said:
But if this is allowed to contineu, we WILL be back to those foul days again.....
Im so angry that this is allowed to happen in the 21st Century, its appalling.
Diluted st is STILL st and should be dumped into watercourses regardless.
Well then never go in the sea. Because get this, animals and humans **** in it all the goddamn time, and as you said, dilution doesn't count for anything Im so angry that this is allowed to happen in the 21st Century, its appalling.
Diluted s
t is STILL st and should be dumped into watercourses regardless.
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