Catfish and chips
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craigjm

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20,718 posts

225 months

Friday 1st May
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This has been happening for a while for sure as the price of fish keeps going up and up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg0337n0y1o

How prevelant do you think it is in your area? I guess the kind of place that does a “fish and chip dinner” for £6 type place is the more likely catch.

If they sold it openly on the menu at a cheaper price would you buy it instead of your usual?

Jamescrs

6,023 posts

90 months

Friday 1st May
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I think if something is advertised as Cod/ Haddock then that's what you expect. I would be confident in saying my local is supplying that.

I think if you go somewhere where the product is only advertised as "fish and chips" then there is a lot more question over what the fish is and I would almost expect it is a cheaper product. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the cheaper pub meals are doing this as well as cheap chip shops.

butchstewie

64,567 posts

235 months

Friday 1st May
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Jamescrs said:
I think if something is advertised as Cod/ Haddock then that's what you expect. I would be confident in saying my local is supplying that.

I think if you go somewhere where the product is only advertised as "fish and chips" then there is a lot more question over what the fish is and I would almost expect it is a cheaper product. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the cheaper pub meals are doing this as well as cheap chip shops.
I think that's reasonable.

My local chippy does a "mini Cod" and a "large Cod" so I assume it's Cod.

If they did a "mini fish" and a "large fish" I'm not sure it would bother me too much but I would tend to assume it wasn't Cod or Haddock.

alangla

6,387 posts

206 months

Friday 1st May
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I d always assumed it was like fish fingers where unless it says that it s Cod or Haddock then it’s usually Pollock or something similar. Surprised at Catfish being the species of choice but I guess if it’s an easily obtainable farmed fish it’s not a huge surprise.

InitialDave

14,488 posts

144 months

Friday 1st May
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Ironically, over in Virginia, they're actively trying to get people to eat them.

Introduced decades ago for sport fishing, and now they're got a surfeit of the buggers.

But anyway, yeah, if something just says "fish" on the menu as opposed to a named fish, I assume that all you can be sure of is that it is indeed a fish or parts thereof.

Furbo

3,671 posts

57 months

Friday 1st May
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craigjm said:
This has been happening for a while for sure as the price of fish keeps going up and up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg0337n0y1o

How prevelant do you think it is in your area? I guess the kind of place that does a fish and chip dinner for £6 type place is the more likely catch.

If they sold it openly on the menu at a cheaper price would you buy it instead of your usual?
Meh, if it's just being sold as fish I'd have no right to be upset. But if it were just cat and chips I would actively seek out their hot food emporium. I really don't like cats.


InitialDave

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144 months

Friday 1st May
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Furbo said:
Meh, if it's just being sold as fish I'd have no right to be upset. But if it were just cat and chips I would actively seek out their hot food emporium. I really don't like cats.
https://www.thescarboroughnews.co.uk/news/environm...

Sheepshanks

39,603 posts

144 months

Friday 1st May
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Interesting that no-one can tell the difference without it being DNA tested.

I'm surprised by the price paid for cod & haddock - between £4 and £6 - medium cod is £11.65 in our local chippy.

Nico Adie

694 posts

68 months

Friday 1st May
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Tilapia has already been used for fish n chips for years, I'm all for different species being offered as long as they aren't sold as something that they're not.

MattsCar

2,158 posts

130 months

Friday 1st May
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Sheepshanks said:
Interesting that no-one can tell the difference without it being DNA tested.
I mean most people could by taste, but scientifically proving it so that trading standards have a case, is why they will DNA test it.

Been going on for years in certain chip shops round my way.

Similar to the scandal where lots of Indian takeaways were using beef instead of lamb.

andrew-6xade

544 posts

28 months

Friday 1st May
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I went to a place in Skegness last year and 100% I was served something that wasn't Haddock (which I paid for)

Absolutely no doubt about it, went in the bin.

boyse7en

8,011 posts

190 months

Friday 1st May
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I'm all for it. Cod and Haddock are getting overfished to extinction, while perfectly palatable fish that could be eaten instead are ignored because the name isn't familiar.
Seems a shame that the general public is so unadventurous that chip shops feel forced to just put "fish" on the menu rather than stating what species it is. I guess it'll become normalised in a few years and no one will care. It's not all that long ago that Monkfish was thrown away because no one would eat it!

theplayingmantis

5,707 posts

107 months

Friday 1st May
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InitialDave said:
Ironically, over in Virginia, they're actively trying to get people to eat them.

Introduced decades ago for sport fishing, and now they're got a surfeit of the buggers.

But anyway, yeah, if something just says "fish" on the menu as opposed to a named fish, I assume that all you can be sure of is that it is indeed a fish or parts thereof.
Who's actively not trying to get people to eat them here?


InitialDave

14,488 posts

144 months

Friday 1st May
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theplayingmantis said:
Who's actively not trying to get people to eat them here?
It's not that anyone's trying to stop people eating them, but they're being added to menus through general pressure on availability/pricing of the fish people are more familiar with.

Whereas in Virginia, the state is actively promoting their consumption.

I just found it an amusing comparison with the way it's being framed as some kind of underhanded thing in that news report.

theplayingmantis

5,707 posts

107 months

Friday 1st May
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They should just list them no one would care apart from a few Karens

But I guess the issue is it's the boss man type places that just sell fish and chips (and certain ones in the north and Scotland and the rougher ones down south). If they listed it as tilapia those who go there wouldn't order it for there 6 quid f&c supper. It would put them off and those places probably would t bother to offer 2 different options of fish for those who don't want tilapia. so would just lose their F&c business .

Those that already list the species and have options it no issue. Many would probably try it. Imo it's more common in the north and Scotland to see just 'fish' listed, excluding bossman places.

Where it's actively being passed off as another species is a completely different issue and trading standards


craigjm

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20,718 posts

225 months

Friday 1st May
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Nico Adie said:
Tilapia has already been used for fish n chips for years, I'm all for different species being offered as long as they aren't sold as something that they're not.
Agree 100%. If the place I go locally had catfish, tilapia or others on the menu im sure at the right price people will buy it. When i used to live in south africa Kingklip was a favourite of mine and in a lot of indian places you get stuff like kingfish. Its the deception thats not right. Ive always preferred haddock to cod.

Mobile Chicane

21,861 posts

237 months

Friday 1st May
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I remember when chippies sold 'rock salmon'. I wonder what happened to that? I liked it.

21TonyK

13,066 posts

234 months

Friday 1st May
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Catfish or Basa as it is in most cases is vile. Farmed in appalling conditions in se Asia laced with antibiotics in their feed (like most farmed fish).

no reason why f&c shops shouldn’t use pollock but basa is cheaper.

InitialDave

14,488 posts

144 months

Friday 1st May
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Mobile Chicane said:
I remember when chippies sold 'rock salmon'. I wonder what happened to that? I liked it.
I thought it got overfished and they had to back off to let it recover. It's a type of dogfish, isn't it?

Lotobear

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153 months

Friday 1st May
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Mobile Chicane said:
I remember when chippies sold 'rock salmon'. I wonder what happened to that? I liked it.
Was going to say the same - think it was the 70's 'Cod Wars' that started it.

Might be wrong but I think it's basically dog fish