Going all organic
Discussion
That's great but surely the tangible benefits will be hard to see for the amount of effort and cost incurred over more local, seasonal produce?
Eat with the seasons I say.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...
Eat with the seasons I say.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...
Pferdestarke said:
That's great but surely the tangible benefits will be hard to see for the amount of effort and cost incurred over more local, seasonal produce?
Eat with the seasons I say.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...
are you assuming that the veg and meat we are buying is not local or seasonal then?Eat with the seasons I say.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...
Matt172 said:
Pferdestarke said:
That's great but surely the tangible benefits will be hard to see for the amount of effort and cost incurred over more local, seasonal produce?
Eat with the seasons I say.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...
are you assuming that the veg and meat we are buying is not local or seasonal then?Eat with the seasons I say.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-d...
I'm not trying to be an arse but I just think that many people have been hoodwinked in to thinking that by eating something organic, that food grown with conventional farming methods is inferior.
Supermarkets and many 'en-vogue' organic box producers are merely capitalising on the nation's arrogance towards good food. And charging you a bloody fortune for the privelage.
My girlfriend's Mum is an Organic advocate, but the food she puts on the table for her young family is unbalanced, bland and overpriced. Her favourite is buying long-life organic orange juice, from concentrate and then saying: 'Would you like a drink? We have orange, it's organic'
A pack of two 'organic' yet mass-produced chicken breasts in M&S the other day were priced at £8. It just seems crazy to me that people deem that as acceptable.
IMO, of course.
Organic for me is a bit hit & miss,
somethings work & others don't hence I find the "All Organic Route" a bit too much to accept as a good thing.
Some foods such as meats etc can actually have a higher carbon footprint as "Organic grain" can be shipped from the other side of the world to make the animal feed. (The UK are not big organic farmers)
Other foods like vegetables have limited varieties being available due to need to select for their high disease resitance rather than appearance & flavour, these so called superior foods actually being inferior in terms of quality & flavour.
Much of the Organic Boxes etc may be a better product, but I believe that it is more due to attention to detail and freshness.
somethings work & others don't hence I find the "All Organic Route" a bit too much to accept as a good thing.
Some foods such as meats etc can actually have a higher carbon footprint as "Organic grain" can be shipped from the other side of the world to make the animal feed. (The UK are not big organic farmers)
Other foods like vegetables have limited varieties being available due to need to select for their high disease resitance rather than appearance & flavour, these so called superior foods actually being inferior in terms of quality & flavour.
Much of the Organic Boxes etc may be a better product, but I believe that it is more due to attention to detail and freshness.
missdiane said:
Gone all 'organic' this week
Our 3 chickens arrived Saturday
Restarted our organic veg boxes
Butcher box on order for Thursday
And the tomatoes/sweetcorn in garden coming on a treat
Don't think we'll be visiting Sainsburys much this month
FFS don't get mugged off with this overpriced rubbish. I bet the bloke who delivers the veg boxes is called Tarquin.
"Thing is, I saw you coming".
Edited by Soovy on Tuesday 4th August 12:35
Soovy said:
missdiane said:
Gone all 'organic' this week
Our 3 chickens arrived Saturday
Restarted our organic veg boxes
Butcher box on order for Thursday
And the tomatoes/sweetcorn in garden coming on a treat
Don't think we'll be visiting Sainsburys much this month
FFS don't get mugged off with this overpriced rubbish. I bet the bloke who delivers the veg boxes is called Tarquin.
"Thing is, I saw you coming".
the veg box we are getting works out cheaper than buying the crap you get in supermarkets, lasts longer too.The meat is coming from a local butcher who has been going for 50 years.
What has linda McCartney being a vegan got anything to do with her dying of cancer?
Wehey, a thread of mine has taken off, maybe i should post controversial stuff more often 
Organic was indeed a very lose term I used- all I needed to do was change organic to 'local' and I wouldn't have got this many replies
My meaning in the thread, and the word organic, was about taking a step to go back to basics and it was used to describe the changes made in our life in the past few weeks and how it would be very nice to continue.
The organic veg box is ordered for convenience and because it is local more than because it is organic, i agree with someone else up there ^ that organic veg is overpriced, We lead busy lives and cannot get to the veg shop during work hours or regularly every weekend, and online supermarket shopping is a royal PITA time consuming etc.
Choosing is half the problem- if it's all chosen for you, different every week, regualr amount of money/delivery it's very tempting to sign up, the fact that it is organic is really neither here nor there to me, as long as the carrots are muddy then to me it's feels more real than something packaged by a machine.
The meat is not organic but it is proper butcher meat, not what you would get pre packaged in the supermarket- we used to use a proper butcher but was finding it hard to get to butchers before it shut
Sorry to confuddle everyone with my inadequate wording, but I was in the middle of drinking an organic bottle of wine
Organic was indeed a very lose term I used- all I needed to do was change organic to 'local' and I wouldn't have got this many replies
My meaning in the thread, and the word organic, was about taking a step to go back to basics and it was used to describe the changes made in our life in the past few weeks and how it would be very nice to continue.
The organic veg box is ordered for convenience and because it is local more than because it is organic, i agree with someone else up there ^ that organic veg is overpriced, We lead busy lives and cannot get to the veg shop during work hours or regularly every weekend, and online supermarket shopping is a royal PITA time consuming etc.
Choosing is half the problem- if it's all chosen for you, different every week, regualr amount of money/delivery it's very tempting to sign up, the fact that it is organic is really neither here nor there to me, as long as the carrots are muddy then to me it's feels more real than something packaged by a machine.
The meat is not organic but it is proper butcher meat, not what you would get pre packaged in the supermarket- we used to use a proper butcher but was finding it hard to get to butchers before it shut
Sorry to confuddle everyone with my inadequate wording, but I was in the middle of drinking an organic bottle of wine
Soovy said:
I have a friend who is a farmer.
The only difference between his organic and non organic crops is (a) that he charges 300% markup on the organic and (b) he sprays the organic fields at night so no one sees him doing it.
Mugs.
are you saying we are mugs? why, because we are buying our produce from local suppliers, rather than from a supermarket?The only difference between his organic and non organic crops is (a) that he charges 300% markup on the organic and (b) he sprays the organic fields at night so no one sees him doing it.
Mugs.
Matt172 said:
Soovy said:
I have a friend who is a farmer.
The only difference between his organic and non organic crops is (a) that he charges 300% markup on the organic and (b) he sprays the organic fields at night so no one sees him doing it.
Mugs.
are you saying we are mugs? why, because we are buying our produce from local suppliers, rather than from a supermarket?The only difference between his organic and non organic crops is (a) that he charges 300% markup on the organic and (b) he sprays the organic fields at night so no one sees him doing it.
Mugs.
I think the people who think that the word "organic" means "better" are kidding themselves.
Local produce from a known source is a good thing, I'll give you that.
Soovy said:
I have a friend who is a farmer.
The only difference between his organic and non organic crops is (a) that he charges 300% markup on the organic and (b) he sprays the organic fields at night so no one sees him doing it.
Mugs.
Is this illegal or just immoral? Or something elseThe only difference between his organic and non organic crops is (a) that he charges 300% markup on the organic and (b) he sprays the organic fields at night so no one sees him doing it.
Mugs.
Have I spelt immoral right? it doesn't look right
missdiane said:
The organic veg box is ordered for convenience and because it is local more than because it is organic, i agree with someone else up there ^ that organic veg is overpriced, We lead busy lives and cannot get to the veg shop during work hours or regularly every weekend, and online supermarket shopping is a royal PITA time consuming etc.
Choosing is half the problem- if it's all chosen for you, different every week, regualr amount of money/delivery it's very tempting to sign up, the fact that it is organic is really neither here nor there to me, as long as the carrots are muddy then to me it's feels more real than something packaged by a machine.
The meat is not organic but it is proper butcher meat, not what you would get pre packaged in the supermarket- we used to use a proper butcher but was finding it hard to get to butchers before it shut
Sorry to confuddle everyone with my inadequate wording, but I was in the middle of drinking an organic bottle of wine
I'm the same as you - A&C are easy, a box arrives each week with milk, random veggies/salad/fruit, and when I remember to order it some freerange chicken and fresh fish.Choosing is half the problem- if it's all chosen for you, different every week, regualr amount of money/delivery it's very tempting to sign up, the fact that it is organic is really neither here nor there to me, as long as the carrots are muddy then to me it's feels more real than something packaged by a machine.
The meat is not organic but it is proper butcher meat, not what you would get pre packaged in the supermarket- we used to use a proper butcher but was finding it hard to get to butchers before it shut
Sorry to confuddle everyone with my inadequate wording, but I was in the middle of drinking an organic bottle of wine
If Sainsburys offered a similar service for less I would be happy to give it a go!
Have to say though, a lot of the A&C stuff tastes nicer than the stuff from Sainsburys, although it certainly doesn't last as long.
missdiane said:
On a sidenote it is amazing how rife food snobbery is
I heard Waitrose were being/been bought out by Aldi, and I am afraid to say it would put me off going to Waitrose.
It must mean I a big food snob
I shop at Aldi & Lidl for about 80% of my stuff. Fantastic quality and a fraction of the cost of places like Waitrose where you're paying for loads of expensive management and big salaries.I heard Waitrose were being/been bought out by Aldi, and I am afraid to say it would put me off going to Waitrose.
It must mean I a big food snob
Silver993tt said:
missdiane said:
On a sidenote it is amazing how rife food snobbery is
I heard Waitrose were being/been bought out by Aldi, and I am afraid to say it would put me off going to Waitrose.
It must mean I a big food snob
I shop at Aldi & Lidl for about 80% of my stuff. Fantastic quality and a fraction of the cost of places like Waitrose where you're paying for loads of expensive management and big salaries.I heard Waitrose were being/been bought out by Aldi, and I am afraid to say it would put me off going to Waitrose.
It must mean I a big food snob
I have been to Netto twice recently, hated it there
Edited by missdiane on Tuesday 4th August 14:52
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