Dairy free diet.
Discussion
Hey guys,
Help needed.
The missus has been put on a dairy & wheat free diet. She's also trying to cut out fats etc.
Any ideas as to what to cook (as I'm the main chef in the house)?
She doesn't like dry foods, citrous or overly spicy.
I'm very much a meat and potatos/rice guy. So I've no idea how to cook healthy, or how to cook non-meat stuff.
She keeps mentioning the Tofutti brand for sour cream a-like stuff. Opinions?
(Will be looking at tofu stuff in general)
Help needed.
The missus has been put on a dairy & wheat free diet. She's also trying to cut out fats etc.
Any ideas as to what to cook (as I'm the main chef in the house)?
She doesn't like dry foods, citrous or overly spicy.
I'm very much a meat and potatos/rice guy. So I've no idea how to cook healthy, or how to cook non-meat stuff.
She keeps mentioning the Tofutti brand for sour cream a-like stuff. Opinions?
(Will be looking at tofu stuff in general)
Edited by Bibbs on Thursday 12th November 17:14
It's come about from IBS-like symptoms.
She's been through BUPA to see a Doc / Nutritionist (which I think is quackery).
They said wheat and dairy. She's already cut out milk and bread, but still complains about a bloated feeling.
We are a week in, and she's bored of fish already.
Is goats milk/cheese different enough (or lactose lite)?
She's been through BUPA to see a Doc / Nutritionist (which I think is quackery).
They said wheat and dairy. She's already cut out milk and bread, but still complains about a bloated feeling.
We are a week in, and she's bored of fish already.
Is goats milk/cheese different enough (or lactose lite)?
I don't eat solid yellow fats (cheese, butter, etc) - meat, fish, potatoes/rice are perfect for non dairy folks...I tend to use olive oil as a substitute for butter (olive oil and an egg make great mash), I can stomach some things with cream in them - but as long as it's not too much. I really isn't hard to do in fact...
aha. I'm unfortunately something of an expert on this subject, my wife is dairy intolerant (to an extreme) and anaphylactic (sp?) to fresh milk.
Ok to summarise.
Use Pure butter instead of normal butter. (waitrose, sainsburys all sell it)
Variety of milk substitutes, rice is sweet, soya tastes like chalk, Oatley is about the best, but not cheap at £1.30ish a litre (they do a chocolate and a vitamin enriched one as well). They also do a cream which is not all bad for cooking at all. You can even use it for white sauces (with the Pure butter of course!)
Cheese? - Cant help you there. Dont even bother trying ANY substitute, they are all vile, sorry.
Ice cream? - Swedish Glace, variety of flavours, tastes lovely.
Hope this helps, I've been cooking dairy free for about 4 years, its not that hard tbh, except cheese, there my friend, you are royally f
ked.
Cook with olive oil instead of butter, but I think you probably worked that out for yourself.
Think yourself lucky not to have to check EVERY item for milk ingredients. You would be amazed at what contains milk. Have a look in your cupboards right now and I'll bet you 50p that around 1/3 of your standard items (crisps, soups, cereals etc) contain milk. It amazes me still some of the things that I pick up that may contain the white stuff.
James
Ok to summarise.
Use Pure butter instead of normal butter. (waitrose, sainsburys all sell it)
Variety of milk substitutes, rice is sweet, soya tastes like chalk, Oatley is about the best, but not cheap at £1.30ish a litre (they do a chocolate and a vitamin enriched one as well). They also do a cream which is not all bad for cooking at all. You can even use it for white sauces (with the Pure butter of course!)
Cheese? - Cant help you there. Dont even bother trying ANY substitute, they are all vile, sorry.
Ice cream? - Swedish Glace, variety of flavours, tastes lovely.
Hope this helps, I've been cooking dairy free for about 4 years, its not that hard tbh, except cheese, there my friend, you are royally f
ked.Cook with olive oil instead of butter, but I think you probably worked that out for yourself.
Think yourself lucky not to have to check EVERY item for milk ingredients. You would be amazed at what contains milk. Have a look in your cupboards right now and I'll bet you 50p that around 1/3 of your standard items (crisps, soups, cereals etc) contain milk. It amazes me still some of the things that I pick up that may contain the white stuff.
James
TIGA84 said:
aha. I'm unfortunately something of an expert on this subject, my wife is dairy intolerant (to an extreme) and anaphylactic (sp?) to fresh milk.
Ok to summarise.
Use Pure butter instead of normal butter. (waitrose, sainsburys all sell it)
Variety of milk substitutes, rice is sweet, soya tastes like chalk, Oatley is about the best, but not cheap at £1.30ish a litre (they do a chocolate and a vitamin enriched one as well). They also do a cream which is not all bad for cooking at all. You can even use it for white sauces (with the Pure butter of course!)
Cheese? - Cant help you there. Dont even bother trying ANY substitute, they are all vile, sorry.
Ice cream? - Swedish Glace, variety of flavours, tastes lovely.
Hope this helps, I've been cooking dairy free for about 4 years, its not that hard tbh, except cheese, there my friend, you are royally fked.
Cook with olive oil instead of butter, but I think you probably worked that out for yourself.
Think yourself lucky not to have to check EVERY item for milk ingredients. You would be amazed at what contains milk. Have a look in your cupboards right now and I'll bet you 50p that around 1/3 of your standard items (crisps, soups, cereals etc) contain milk. It amazes me still some of the things that I pick up that may contain the white stuff.
James
My OH is non-dairy for reasons I need not bore you with and the hardest bit is eating out. Tesco's soya substitute for dairy milk is the only milk substitute we use, and Alpro soy yogurts. Alpro soy custard is good if a bit sweet, and you're right about fake cheese, it is HORRIBLE! Pure soy spread works in all ways that butter does and as you said read the labels. How can 'Chinese' cook-chill meals from suprmarkets contain dairy products when China has no dairy industry? At a restaurant you either have to know what you're ordering cannot contain milk products (ham and eggs for example), or ask and that can test the diplomatic skills! You will get used to it and if you follow the same diet you might even like it - I do.Ok to summarise.
Use Pure butter instead of normal butter. (waitrose, sainsburys all sell it)
Variety of milk substitutes, rice is sweet, soya tastes like chalk, Oatley is about the best, but not cheap at £1.30ish a litre (they do a chocolate and a vitamin enriched one as well). They also do a cream which is not all bad for cooking at all. You can even use it for white sauces (with the Pure butter of course!)
Cheese? - Cant help you there. Dont even bother trying ANY substitute, they are all vile, sorry.
Ice cream? - Swedish Glace, variety of flavours, tastes lovely.
Hope this helps, I've been cooking dairy free for about 4 years, its not that hard tbh, except cheese, there my friend, you are royally f
ked.Cook with olive oil instead of butter, but I think you probably worked that out for yourself.
Think yourself lucky not to have to check EVERY item for milk ingredients. You would be amazed at what contains milk. Have a look in your cupboards right now and I'll bet you 50p that around 1/3 of your standard items (crisps, soups, cereals etc) contain milk. It amazes me still some of the things that I pick up that may contain the white stuff.
James
I became wheat and dairy intolerant after a bout of gastric flu. Apparently this happens a lot. However, two years of sushi, lean meat and salad sorted it out and now I can eat anything.
Chinese / Japanese / Thai are the best options for eating out I found (obviously avoiding anything with wheat noodles in.)
Chinese / Japanese / Thai are the best options for eating out I found (obviously avoiding anything with wheat noodles in.)
Bibbs said:
It's come about from IBS-like symptoms.
She's been through BUPA to see a Doc / Nutritionist (which I think is quackery).
They said wheat and dairy. She's already cut out milk and bread, but still complains about a bloated feeling.
We are a week in, and she's bored of fish already.
Is goats milk/cheese different enough (or lactose lite)?
A girlfriend of mine had IBS and symptoms like you describe which was quite bad and she was recomended the same diet. We tried everything but it made no difference. Eventually by a process of trial and error we discovered it was nothing to do with dairy or wheat, she was actually reacting to either the acid or sugar in hard fruit like apples which she ate quite a lot of. Binned the apples and she was fine. So keep an open mind if it doesn't work! She's been through BUPA to see a Doc / Nutritionist (which I think is quackery).
They said wheat and dairy. She's already cut out milk and bread, but still complains about a bloated feeling.
We are a week in, and she's bored of fish already.
Is goats milk/cheese different enough (or lactose lite)?
I'm wheat and dairy free. Actually I'm worse than that, as I'm totally grain free, and restrict nightshades, pulses and legumes. I have IBS, dairy (casein) allergy and fructose and gluten intolerance.
I tend to use coconut milk as a cooking substitute and in drinks (cocoa, I take tea and coffee black), makes a lovely baked custard. Almond milk is also good for baking, though it's best if that's home made (it was very commonly used in place of milk in olden times as it can be made quite quickly from dry almonds which keep and transport well.) Almonds also make a fantastic flour substitute, as can chick peas (used in some israeli and italian baked products, for example).
Rice milk is OK, but may contain arsenic so is now not advised for children.
Oats contain a chemical very similar to gluten so would ideally be avoided.
Soya (and tofu) causes infertility in men, early menopause in women and can damage thyroid function, it's also high in omega 6 oils which are linked to agression and depression (so if you want your woman to be sexless, angry and fat, go for it).
I can tolerate butter, as this is low in casein (milk protein). My daugter is only dairy (lactose) intolerant rather than allergic so can tolerate the "lactofree" products, though by all accounts the youghurts aren't that great.
I definitely do not avoid animal products though, so find that meat/fish and veg, stews, meat/fish/egg salads etc serve me very well. I have no idea what to suggest for someone who's dairy free, gluten free, fat free and avoids animal products. Good luck!
I tend to use coconut milk as a cooking substitute and in drinks (cocoa, I take tea and coffee black), makes a lovely baked custard. Almond milk is also good for baking, though it's best if that's home made (it was very commonly used in place of milk in olden times as it can be made quite quickly from dry almonds which keep and transport well.) Almonds also make a fantastic flour substitute, as can chick peas (used in some israeli and italian baked products, for example).
Rice milk is OK, but may contain arsenic so is now not advised for children.
Oats contain a chemical very similar to gluten so would ideally be avoided.
Soya (and tofu) causes infertility in men, early menopause in women and can damage thyroid function, it's also high in omega 6 oils which are linked to agression and depression (so if you want your woman to be sexless, angry and fat, go for it).
I can tolerate butter, as this is low in casein (milk protein). My daugter is only dairy (lactose) intolerant rather than allergic so can tolerate the "lactofree" products, though by all accounts the youghurts aren't that great.
I definitely do not avoid animal products though, so find that meat/fish and veg, stews, meat/fish/egg salads etc serve me very well. I have no idea what to suggest for someone who's dairy free, gluten free, fat free and avoids animal products. Good luck!
Edited by oldbanger on Thursday 12th November 20:24
Just to add:
Bisto Best gravy is the only decent gravy that is gluten free, but the onion flavour is the only one which is also dairy free
The only nice supermarket coleslaw that is dairy free is "Waitrose essential", most contains cream or creme fraiche (not just the creamy varieties) I think probably because it's lower in fat and also a cheaper ingredient.
Genius is the nicest gluten free bread currently available, seems to only be available in Tesco, though
Debbie and Andrews 97% harrogate sausages are gluten free and very nice, "Black farmer" are also nice tasting but contain soya as a filler.
Sheese and Cheezily cheese substitutes are vile
Bisto Best gravy is the only decent gravy that is gluten free, but the onion flavour is the only one which is also dairy free
The only nice supermarket coleslaw that is dairy free is "Waitrose essential", most contains cream or creme fraiche (not just the creamy varieties) I think probably because it's lower in fat and also a cheaper ingredient.
Genius is the nicest gluten free bread currently available, seems to only be available in Tesco, though
Debbie and Andrews 97% harrogate sausages are gluten free and very nice, "Black farmer" are also nice tasting but contain soya as a filler.
Sheese and Cheezily cheese substitutes are vile
Edited by oldbanger on Thursday 12th November 20:33
We've been wheat, meat and bovine dairy free for 5 years and it really isn't a problem.
We do eat other gluten containing products such as oats, and goats and sheep cheese.
We eat lots of rice and pulses/lentils. Plenty of fish. Loads of vegetables, and seeds too. Not really bothered about milk substitutes as we only drink heral teas, green tea and i have a very occasional cup of coffee. However, on cerial I prefer organic rice milk if I'm not eating porridge.
Support the cautionary statement about soy/tofu though. Apparently it was given to Chinese mnks to surpress their, erm, urges. However, traditionally made tofu is supposed to be OK but avoid edame beans!
Wheat free pasta is good as long as (a) you give time to get used to it, and (b) make sure you have a good sauce. Oh, spelt is OK for us and you can get spelt piza bases so that opens up a world of possibilities.
And some rye or corn bread can be very nice...... Loads of ideas...
ETA Stir fries and Curries! And if you have a good local indian restaurant, they'll substitute oil for ghee. Popadums are fine as they are chick pea based..
Trust me - the possibilities are endless....
We do eat other gluten containing products such as oats, and goats and sheep cheese.
We eat lots of rice and pulses/lentils. Plenty of fish. Loads of vegetables, and seeds too. Not really bothered about milk substitutes as we only drink heral teas, green tea and i have a very occasional cup of coffee. However, on cerial I prefer organic rice milk if I'm not eating porridge.
Support the cautionary statement about soy/tofu though. Apparently it was given to Chinese mnks to surpress their, erm, urges. However, traditionally made tofu is supposed to be OK but avoid edame beans!
Wheat free pasta is good as long as (a) you give time to get used to it, and (b) make sure you have a good sauce. Oh, spelt is OK for us and you can get spelt piza bases so that opens up a world of possibilities.
And some rye or corn bread can be very nice...... Loads of ideas...
ETA Stir fries and Curries! And if you have a good local indian restaurant, they'll substitute oil for ghee. Popadums are fine as they are chick pea based..
Trust me - the possibilities are endless....
Edited by T40ORA on Friday 13th November 12:42
oldbanger said:
Soya (and tofu) causes infertility in men, early menopause in women and can damage thyroid function, it's also high in omega 6 oils which are linked to agression and depression (so if you want your woman to be sexless, angry and fat, go for it).
Edited by oldbanger on Thursday 12th November 20:24
Just go down to you nearest health food place and you'll find lots of stuff without dairy or wheat, and probably some recipe books.
Most supermarkets list allergen information on their products so you'll have to do some reading!
It's a lot easier than it at first seems, there are lots of alternatives out there.
OnTheOverrun said:
Bibbs said:
It's come about from IBS-like symptoms.
She's been through BUPA to see a Doc / Nutritionist (which I think is quackery).
They said wheat and dairy. She's already cut out milk and bread, but still complains about a bloated feeling.
We are a week in, and she's bored of fish already.
Is goats milk/cheese different enough (or lactose lite)?
A girlfriend of mine had IBS and symptoms like you describe which was quite bad and she was recomended the same diet. We tried everything but it made no difference. Eventually by a process of trial and error we discovered it was nothing to do with dairy or wheat, she was actually reacting to either the acid or sugar in hard fruit like apples which she ate quite a lot of. Binned the apples and she was fine. So keep an open mind if it doesn't work! She's been through BUPA to see a Doc / Nutritionist (which I think is quackery).
They said wheat and dairy. She's already cut out milk and bread, but still complains about a bloated feeling.
We are a week in, and she's bored of fish already.
Is goats milk/cheese different enough (or lactose lite)?
I did some reading around this and it seems that the cause of a lot of food intolerances could be attributed to a yeast overgrowth. Too much yeast overpowers the good bacteria in your gut, so you find it harder to digest some foods. In addition the yeast strands can poke tiny holes in your intestinal lining that let the toxins from other foods through. This is what the food intolerance blood tests pick up on.
I'd recommend cutting out yeast and sugar as much as possible for a trial period. I went down to under 10g of sugar a day for about a month, and AFAIK zero yeast. Sugar is difficult to cut out entirely as it's in almost everything!
At the same time I also took a course of these http://www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_det... and pro/pre-biotics daily.
Disclaimer: I'm not a doctor! But after years of "I think I'm lactose intolerant, hang on no, wheat intolerant, no its eggs, maybe it was lactose etc etc" and feeling truly rubbish I finally feel better.
JohnnyPanic said:
If you do try the sugar/yeast thing let me know how it goes - I'd love to know of another real world example! My mates all think I'm weird, but they can't deny that it's worked!
No worries. You comments tie in with a poster above mentioning fruit.Will keep this thread up-to-date.
I'd start training her up on spicier foods if I were you. Currys and chillis don't need to be particularly spicy, and can be made without much fat either.
Dunno if rice flour, gram flour or rice flour can be used to make bread or pasta, but coeliac breads are becommming more popular now assuming it's the weatgerm she can't have.
Dunno if rice flour, gram flour or rice flour can be used to make bread or pasta, but coeliac breads are becommming more popular now assuming it's the weatgerm she can't have.
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