Analogue Rules O.K.!!
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When my poor mother was sent out to buy me Electric Ladyland in 1968 for my birthday, the record shop owner put the album in a brown paper bag to avoid mother's embarrassment. When I played this vinyl version on my new stereo with headphones it was truly mind blowing. I progressed with ever superior hifi and just before CDs came out in the late 1980s I must have listened to twenty years of this song in quality analogue.
I was seduced by the CD promotional blurb, (a bit like the vote on whether to stay in the European Union!) and could not quite admit to myself after spending x hundred pounds on new equipment that the sound was harsher and slightly thinner.
My wife has just bought me an Ipad air and All Along The Watchtower was the first tune to be downloaded.
I was totally shocked listening through the most expensive Bose headphones as to how much the song had thinned.
Hard to put into words but having listened to it more times than Jimi Hendrix I think I know what I am talking about. There is no depth left in the song.
While on this rant most of my CDs now jump or have some fault (they were advertised as being bomb proof), far more irritating than a scratch on vinyl and I am happier listening to my old cassette tapes dating from the 1970s which I recorded in a car fitted with an Audioline cassette player with recording facility. Still playing warm analogue, scratch free after all these years.
I even resurrected an old Radiomobile eight track and bought some tapes off Ebay and was surprised at even greater quality sound due to the higher tape speed.
To remove any further doubt a friend played the track on a high quality vinyl deck and at the same time on a high quality CD and by turning the selector on the amplifier the difference was obvious and stunning.
Analogue Rules O.K.!
I was seduced by the CD promotional blurb, (a bit like the vote on whether to stay in the European Union!) and could not quite admit to myself after spending x hundred pounds on new equipment that the sound was harsher and slightly thinner.
My wife has just bought me an Ipad air and All Along The Watchtower was the first tune to be downloaded.
I was totally shocked listening through the most expensive Bose headphones as to how much the song had thinned.
Hard to put into words but having listened to it more times than Jimi Hendrix I think I know what I am talking about. There is no depth left in the song.
While on this rant most of my CDs now jump or have some fault (they were advertised as being bomb proof), far more irritating than a scratch on vinyl and I am happier listening to my old cassette tapes dating from the 1970s which I recorded in a car fitted with an Audioline cassette player with recording facility. Still playing warm analogue, scratch free after all these years.
I even resurrected an old Radiomobile eight track and bought some tapes off Ebay and was surprised at even greater quality sound due to the higher tape speed.
To remove any further doubt a friend played the track on a high quality vinyl deck and at the same time on a high quality CD and by turning the selector on the amplifier the difference was obvious and stunning.
Analogue Rules O.K.!
Pretty sure the forum is called 'Music'. This post would be better in 'Home Cinema and Hi-fi'.
Why is it some vinyl fans like yourself feel the need to be the equivalent of a religious fundamentalist about it? I'm surprised you've not declared a jihad against all CD player owners.
Enjoy your vinyl, you obviously like it. The rest of us will just get on and enjoy the music, regardless of the format.
Why is it some vinyl fans like yourself feel the need to be the equivalent of a religious fundamentalist about it? I'm surprised you've not declared a jihad against all CD player owners.
Enjoy your vinyl, you obviously like it. The rest of us will just get on and enjoy the music, regardless of the format.
Vanin said:
When my poor mother was sent out to buy me Electric Ladyland in 1968 for my birthday, the record shop owner put the album in a brown paper bag to avoid mother's embarrassment. When I played this vinyl version on my new stereo with headphones it was truly mind blowing. I progressed with ever superior hifi and just before CDs came out in the late 1980s I must have listened to twenty years of this song in quality analogue.
I was seduced by the CD promotional blurb, (a bit like the vote on whether to stay in the European Union!) and could not quite admit to myself after spending x hundred pounds on new equipment that the sound was harsher and slightly thinner.
My wife has just bought me an Ipad air and All Along The Watchtower was the first tune to be downloaded.
I was totally shocked listening through the most expensive Bose headphones as to how much the song had thinned.
Hard to put into words but having listened to it more times than Jimi Hendrix I think I know what I am talking about. There is no depth left in the song.
While on this rant most of my CDs now jump or have some fault (they were advertised as being bomb proof), far more irritating than a scratch on vinyl and I am happier listening to my old cassette tapes dating from the 1970s which I recorded in a car fitted with an Audioline cassette player with recording facility. Still playing warm analogue, scratch free after all these years.
I even resurrected an old Radiomobile eight track and bought some tapes off Ebay and was surprised at even greater quality sound due to the higher tape speed.
To remove any further doubt a friend played the track on a high quality vinyl deck and at the same time on a high quality CD and by turning the selector on the amplifier the difference was obvious and stunning.
Analogue Rules O.K.!
Your headphones might be sI was seduced by the CD promotional blurb, (a bit like the vote on whether to stay in the European Union!) and could not quite admit to myself after spending x hundred pounds on new equipment that the sound was harsher and slightly thinner.
My wife has just bought me an Ipad air and All Along The Watchtower was the first tune to be downloaded.
I was totally shocked listening through the most expensive Bose headphones as to how much the song had thinned.
Hard to put into words but having listened to it more times than Jimi Hendrix I think I know what I am talking about. There is no depth left in the song.
While on this rant most of my CDs now jump or have some fault (they were advertised as being bomb proof), far more irritating than a scratch on vinyl and I am happier listening to my old cassette tapes dating from the 1970s which I recorded in a car fitted with an Audioline cassette player with recording facility. Still playing warm analogue, scratch free after all these years.
I even resurrected an old Radiomobile eight track and bought some tapes off Ebay and was surprised at even greater quality sound due to the higher tape speed.
To remove any further doubt a friend played the track on a high quality vinyl deck and at the same time on a high quality CD and by turning the selector on the amplifier the difference was obvious and stunning.
Analogue Rules O.K.!
te. The CD player used might be s
te.They could be mastered differently.
I personally think the last one is the most significant. I have some records which sound significantly better than the CD, even when recorded digitally and burned to a CD. I also have some CDs which sound significantly better than the record and some which sound exactly the same (aside from the crackle).
probedb said:
Pretty sure the forum is called 'Music'. This post would be better in 'Home Cinema and Hi-fi'.
Why is it some vinyl fans like yourself feel the need to be the equivalent of a religious fundamentalist about it? I'm surprised you've not declared a jihad against all CD player owners.
Enjoy your vinyl, you obviously like it. The rest of us will just get on and enjoy the music, regardless of the format.
Pretty sure Electric Ladyland comes under the heading of musicWhy is it some vinyl fans like yourself feel the need to be the equivalent of a religious fundamentalist about it? I'm surprised you've not declared a jihad against all CD player owners.
Enjoy your vinyl, you obviously like it. The rest of us will just get on and enjoy the music, regardless of the format.
Pretty sure the likes of yourself have not noticed the general deterioration of sound quality due to compression firstly in CDs and then further in imusic
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/compression-is-killing...
You continue to enjoy the thinness of your sound which rather compliments your post.
budgie smuggler said:
Vanin said:
When my poor mother was sent out to buy me Electric Ladyland in 1968 for my birthday, the record shop owner put the album in a brown paper bag to avoid mother's embarrassment. When I played this vinyl version on my new stereo with headphones it was truly mind blowing. I progressed with ever superior hifi and just before CDs came out in the late 1980s I must have listened to twenty years of this song in quality analogue.
I was seduced by the CD promotional blurb, (a bit like the vote on whether to stay in the European Union!) and could not quite admit to myself after spending x hundred pounds on new equipment that the sound was harsher and slightly thinner.
My wife has just bought me an Ipad air and All Along The Watchtower was the first tune to be downloaded.
I was totally shocked listening through the most expensive Bose headphones as to how much the song had thinned.
Hard to put into words but having listened to it more times than Jimi Hendrix I think I know what I am talking about. There is no depth left in the song.
While on this rant most of my CDs now jump or have some fault (they were advertised as being bomb proof), far more irritating than a scratch on vinyl and I am happier listening to my old cassette tapes dating from the 1970s which I recorded in a car fitted with an Audioline cassette player with recording facility. Still playing warm analogue, scratch free after all these years.
I even resurrected an old Radiomobile eight track and bought some tapes off Ebay and was surprised at even greater quality sound due to the higher tape speed.
To remove any further doubt a friend played the track on a high quality vinyl deck and at the same time on a high quality CD and by turning the selector on the amplifier the difference was obvious and stunning.
Analogue Rules O.K.!
Your headphones might be sI was seduced by the CD promotional blurb, (a bit like the vote on whether to stay in the European Union!) and could not quite admit to myself after spending x hundred pounds on new equipment that the sound was harsher and slightly thinner.
My wife has just bought me an Ipad air and All Along The Watchtower was the first tune to be downloaded.
I was totally shocked listening through the most expensive Bose headphones as to how much the song had thinned.
Hard to put into words but having listened to it more times than Jimi Hendrix I think I know what I am talking about. There is no depth left in the song.
While on this rant most of my CDs now jump or have some fault (they were advertised as being bomb proof), far more irritating than a scratch on vinyl and I am happier listening to my old cassette tapes dating from the 1970s which I recorded in a car fitted with an Audioline cassette player with recording facility. Still playing warm analogue, scratch free after all these years.
I even resurrected an old Radiomobile eight track and bought some tapes off Ebay and was surprised at even greater quality sound due to the higher tape speed.
To remove any further doubt a friend played the track on a high quality vinyl deck and at the same time on a high quality CD and by turning the selector on the amplifier the difference was obvious and stunning.
Analogue Rules O.K.!
te. The CD player used might be s
te.They could be mastered differently.
I personally think the last one is the most significant. I have some records which sound significantly better than the CD, even when recorded digitally and burned to a CD. I also have some CDs which sound significantly better than the record and some which sound exactly the same (aside from the crackle).
I have Machine head anniversary edition, highway star sounds rather lifeless and flat.
Records vs anything else is always subject to the genre in question, some music sounds better on CD or another clearer format, some times the 'warmth' /lack of clarity and fizz adds to it.
I was into fuzzier stoner/doom stuff (Sleep, Electric wizard, basically Sabbath influences bands in tone and style) and the vinyl's added to the songs, but I wouldn't want to listen to most music on vinyl though, vinyl has just too many flaws in the sound that distract from the music rather than enhanced it.
Fantuzzi said:
I agree, I have a Monsters of Rock CD, it has highway star by deep purple, sounds epic.
I have Machine head anniversary edition, highway star sounds rather lifeless and flat.
That is almost certainly due to the way it was recorded. Machine Head will have almost without question asked for a middier, more direct sound, as it's their industry standard. I have Machine head anniversary edition, highway star sounds rather lifeless and flat.
The worst thing to come from the modern era of production styles is not about whether analogue or digital sounds better, it's why a great majority of music these days is terribly mixed and mastered following the advent of the loudness wars.
Mastodon2 said:
That is almost certainly due to the way it was recorded. Machine Head will have almost without question asked for a middier, more direct sound, as it's their industry standard.
The worst thing to come from the modern era of production styles is not about whether analogue or digital sounds better, it's why a great majority of music these days is terribly mixed and mastered following the advent of the loudness wars.
He's on about Machine Head, the Deep Purple album, not Machine Head, the band...The worst thing to come from the modern era of production styles is not about whether analogue or digital sounds better, it's why a great majority of music these days is terribly mixed and mastered following the advent of the loudness wars.
Vanin said:
Pretty sure Electric Ladyland comes under the heading of music
Pretty sure the likes of yourself have not noticed the general deterioration of sound quality due to compression firstly in CDs and then further in imusic
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/compression-is-killing...
You continue to enjoy the thinness of your sound which rather compliments your post.
It's nothing to do with the format and the resorting to putting down my post is again the utter religion some vinyl users regard the format as. If you were listening to the music you'd be moaning about the music and for lots of modern recordings I'd fully agree with you, instead you try and incorrectly make out it's the format that's the problem. Look into the technical specs if you really want to play games with formats. A lot of modern vinyl is cut from digital sources. There are a few places that have full analogue equipment for cutting but in all likelihood the recording was probably still supplied in digital format.Pretty sure the likes of yourself have not noticed the general deterioration of sound quality due to compression firstly in CDs and then further in imusic
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/compression-is-killing...
You continue to enjoy the thinness of your sound which rather compliments your post.
Again, it's the mastering of the recording that is the problem, the so-called 'loudness war' for starters. If you take a s
te recording and put it on vinyl or CD it will sound ste. You'd also find the master of Electric Ladyland on your old vinyl is not the same master used for the CD so you can't compare them anyway.Instead of posting about the fact you have a s
te CD player and are unable to take care of your CDs join the rest of us with trying to get the recording industry to acknowledge the fact that we want decent recordings with decent dynamics regardless of the format. You even posted a link about compression but that's nothing to do with the FORMAT.As I said, I have no particular love or hate for any format but people that evangelise about vinyl and how all other formats are crap are just annoying. How about we go back to the wax cylinder?
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