Hillclimbing

[anonymous-user]

I'm trying to find out a bit more information on the regulations for hillclimbing in the UK. I'm prepared to read as much as it takes, but so far on msauk.org and hillclimbandsprint.co.uk I can't find any regulations for road legal cars that compete. Hill climb and sprint says that the 'blue book' is available at msauk.org but I can't see it there. I'm after perhaps a list of the categories with weights, bhp limits, tyres etc.

This is a pipe dream at the moment but it would be nice to weigh up exactly how much this will cost. I would be wanting to enter my 172 Cup in some sort of modified state if I did go ahead with it. Thanks for any info.

[PabloTheOrange]

Section S (Specific Regulations for Sprints, Hill Climbs and Drag Racing) is available here: http://www.msauk.org/site/cms/contentviewarticle.a...

[Dan Friel]

Regs for HSA are here:

http://www.hillclimbandsprint.co.uk/regs.asp

And summarise the requirements for road going cars, detail in the MSA regs link. MSA regs for tyres are also contained here (1A or 1B usually permitted):

http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/blueb...

You could run totally standard if you want.

[LordHaveMurci]

Ran my 172 Cup completely std for the 1st season, even now it's only lightly modified & well within regs.

[Dan Friel]

Given that it can take several events to learn a venue, it might be best to do this without having to learn the boundaries of a modified car. Also lowers the expectations / pressure in the first events, which might be positive.

[anonymous-user]

Thanks everyone, I'll had a read.

I wouldn't mind running it standard, I just didn't realise I could. Excellent. It might be getting cams (adds about 15bhp), but I'm getting those regardless so I should be used to the power.

[LordHaveMurci]

Don't believe everything you're told - 172s are difficult (& expensive) to tune for much more power.
Get some 15'' rims with r888s or similar, one of the best upgrades you'll make then change the drivers seat!
All they need to compete is a timing strut, yellow tape on - battery terminal & an ignition cut off sticker.

[anonymous-user]

Oh yeah I know what they're like to tune, expensive. Had the car 3 years and haven't touched it. I'm considering the cams because they're a £400-£500 extra once everything is off to change belts, you essentially get the labour free because it's already stripped down to change belts and the dephaser.

Thanks, I had managed to find the section about the tape, timing strut etc. Indeed, the driver's seat would be a good thing to change. I would love to change the wheel too but I want to retain the airbag. I have heard 15" wheels make a big difference, and 888s definitely.

[LordHaveMurci]

Won't you need to budget for a decent remap as well?

[anonymous-user]

Yeah that is the only sticking point really. £300 for a custom map and rolling road with RS Tuning. So £800 for the cams basically, which is enough for the seat and tyres alone, easily.

[kimducati]

For my money, I'd leave the engine alone (obviously bar normal servicing, etc.) and spend the money on a set of tyres on wheels and a seat as mentioned above. Keep your existing wheels / tyres for road use and swich when you get to the venue.
ALL of the improvement in your first year or so will come from YOU, not tweeking the car which may or may not make it go faster!!
If you 'do' Gurston Down, I'll see you there

Kim

[Skyedriver]

Agree with Kim and the Lord above...
Tyres, seats decent 3/4 point harness
Tyres need to be super soft as they don't warm up much in 3/4 of a mile
Seat & belt as you cannot control the car if you are hanging onto the steering wheel.
And possibly a school as they teach you the lines, although I never did, learnt my own lines and never won anything....
Re classes, I think different areas have different classes. IIRC Scotland are different to Yorkshire Centre etc

[SubaruSteve]

kimducati said:

ALL of the improvement in your first TEN YEARS or so will come from YOU, but we all tweak the car after a couple of years out of frustration.

Kim

I've fixed that for you.