Flag changes from January 1st
Discussion
Those of you who don't read MSA News may not be aware of flag changes being brought in next year.
From January 1st there will be no stationary yellows for incidents - waved yellows are replaced by double waved yellows, with a single waved yellow at the preceding post. The green after the incident will also be waved.
These changes are not in the 2014 Blue Book!
From January 1st there will be no stationary yellows for incidents - waved yellows are replaced by double waved yellows, with a single waved yellow at the preceding post. The green after the incident will also be waved.
These changes are not in the 2014 Blue Book!
Mr_Thyroid said:
What does 'not in the blue book' mean? I thought the blue book was essentially the rule book.
It was in the latest MSA news thingy (http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/newsletter/MSA_News_44_1213.pdf - page 4). It seems it was published just after the 2014 book went live!
Web13 said:
So basically FIA,
One waved yellow, slow down incident ahead, double waved yellow slow down and be prepared to stop incident on the circuit its self.
Or to most race car drivers, one flag lift a millimetre, two flags lift two millimeters.
Confusingly, no not FIA.One waved yellow, slow down incident ahead, double waved yellow slow down and be prepared to stop incident on the circuit its self.
Or to most race car drivers, one flag lift a millimetre, two flags lift two millimeters.
FIA flagging is at the point of the problem only, i.e. one post would be flagging yellow waved, nothing at the preceeding post and a waved green at the following post.
We're going double waved at the incident, single waved at the preceeding post and waved green at the following post.
Kim
eta: I think
Edited by kimducati on Monday 23 December 20:14
kimducati said:
Confusingly, no not FIA.
FIA flagging is at the point of the problem only, i.e. one post would be flagging yellow waved, nothing at the preceeding post and a waved green at the following post.
We're going double waved at the incident, single waved at the preceeding post and waved green at the following post.
Kim
eta: I think
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Really :S I don't think I can recall there being un flagged stations between the insident and the green. But its normally one station then the next is green anyway unless its a big one, then its normally saftey car. I had a quick look and couldn't find anything on it, I would be interested in knowing definitely. FIA flagging is at the point of the problem only, i.e. one post would be flagging yellow waved, nothing at the preceeding post and a waved green at the following post.
We're going double waved at the incident, single waved at the preceeding post and waved green at the following post.
Kim
eta: I think
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Graham said:
so how are they going to denote a snatch recovery that was being done with double waved yellows.
marshall waving 2 yellow flags and another stuffed up his/her arse ?
Shouldn’t make any difference. Yellow flags should take precedence over anything else other than reds.marshall waving 2 yellow flags and another stuffed up his/her arse ?
Remember their meaning – Slow down and be prepared to stop
covboy said:
Shouldn’t make any difference. Yellow flags should take precedence over anything else other than reds.
Remember their meaning – Slow down and be prepared to stop
indeed but you know these racing drivers are a competitive bunch and will ignore anything they think they can get away with and gain an advantage.. I thought the ability to tell them that there is 10 tons of jcb and half a dozen marshalls on track and a car on a bungy over a spinner in the grass somewhere was an advantage.Remember their meaning – Slow down and be prepared to stop
I've also seen clerks find it handy for increasing penalties if you ignore double yellows over single,,
kimducati said:
Confusingly, no not FIA.
FIA flagging is at the point of the problem only, i.e. one post would be flagging yellow waved, nothing at the preceeding post and a waved green at the following post.
We're going double waved at the incident, single waved at the preceeding post and waved green at the following post.
Kim
eta: I think
Aye,FIA flagging is at the point of the problem only, i.e. one post would be flagging yellow waved, nothing at the preceeding post and a waved green at the following post.
We're going double waved at the incident, single waved at the preceeding post and waved green at the following post.
Kim
eta: I think
Edited by kimducati on Monday 23 December 20:14
Under FIA rules - an incident gets a single waved yellow flag, followed by a waved green. If Marshals/snatch vehicles are out on trackside then the single is upgraded to double waved yellow (or upgrade to double waved if the track is blocked by a crashed car)
but the FIA gives you somewhere to go to indicated something is really serious.
New MSA rules are - if you have an incident, then immediate double waved yellow
lord summerisle said:
Aye,
Under FIA rules - an incident gets a single waved yellow flag, followed by a waved green. If Marshals/snatch vehicles are out on trackside then the single is upgraded to double waved yellow (or upgrade to double waved if the track is blocked by a crashed car)
but the FIA gives you somewhere to go to indicated something is really serious.
New MSA rules are - if you have an incident, then immediate double waved yellow
Thats exactly my point.Under FIA rules - an incident gets a single waved yellow flag, followed by a waved green. If Marshals/snatch vehicles are out on trackside then the single is upgraded to double waved yellow (or upgrade to double waved if the track is blocked by a crashed car)
but the FIA gives you somewhere to go to indicated something is really serious.
New MSA rules are - if you have an incident, then immediate double waved yellow
I really dont see the point in always waving 2 yellows. If a driver misses a flag its because he wasnt looking, not that the marshall isnt waving 2 flags.
There seems to have been a rash of ill thought out rules in the last 18 months. Someone justifing their existance.
My real beef here is that this will make things more risky for marshalls !
Imho
Got it in one Graham.
If I'm flagging on my own, then normally at the start of the race I'll have yellow in one hand, green in t'other. Ready for immediate deployment. Plus if I do need to wave I have a hand free to hold the free end.
I wonder if we can unofficially impliment a windy day / flagging at Anglesey protocol of old flag rules - otherwise I'll be waving two yellow sticks rather than flags.
If I'm flagging on my own, then normally at the start of the race I'll have yellow in one hand, green in t'other. Ready for immediate deployment. Plus if I do need to wave I have a hand free to hold the free end.
I wonder if we can unofficially impliment a windy day / flagging at Anglesey protocol of old flag rules - otherwise I'll be waving two yellow sticks rather than flags.
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