Racing at Spa / FIA seats & rails question

[MB 1]

Hi all,

I will be racing at Spa this year under BARC, but i've head the scrutineers over the pond insist on having FIA seats. Is this correct? Does it also apply to the rails too?

[CharlesElliott]

We have raced at Spa a number of times over the last few years and have not had FIA approved seats. I am expecting the same this year (with BARC).

[SimonMason]

We got pulled for having an out of date seat at Spa in the classic meeting last year. So yes, they are very into up to date approval where an FIA sea is required. i.e Saloon or sports GT type car. Caterhams and similar machinery would be different.

[MB 1]

Hi Simon

This is for my S2000. Will keep the non FIA one in the pax seat for you

[CharlesElliott]

Yes, and my experience is in Caterhams....

[blackiepaul]

Belts as well?

[majordad]

I raced at Spa Summer Classic 2013. FIA standards of seats , belts, cage, fire ex regoriously imposed, and all 5 yr date limit.

[stuartj]

majordad said:

I raced at Spa Summer Classic 2013. FIA standards of seats , belts, cage, fire ex regoriously imposed, and all 5 yr date limit.

This is standard at Spa, as David says, and also checking of all race clothing and helmet etc to ensure FIA Standard 8856-2000 spec.

[vjay48]

Contact your organsing club and ask them if your meeting is being run under a UK permit,you might be suprised.

[spyderman8]

Anyone know if the same applies to Zolder?

Chris.

[Graham]

vjay48 said:

Contact your organsing club and ask them if your meeting is being run under a UK permit,you might be suprised.

Im in the middle or organising a spa race at the moment.uk registered series, uk competitors, uk clerk and scruit, but the overall event is run by rac b and rac spa.. Fia rules apply where they are greater than msa.. arguing the toss over roll cages at the moment !!!!

[Graham]

majordad said:

I raced at Spa Summer Classic 2013. FIA standards of seats , belts, cage, fire ex regoriously imposed, and all 5 yr date limit.

what were the cage specifics they were taking issue with.

[majordad]

My car is a 993 Cup RSR. Fitted with a factory Matter Cage from day one. The ( Belgian ) scrutineer was aware ( we were nt !) that Matter did not make the weld where the front joins the rear hoop 100%, probably since it's impossible to get at welding wise. We had to cut a hole in the roof and complete the weld there and then.
Re cages in general, IMHO you would need a cert or label on the cage, not any home made cages. The UK Scrutineer from our CSCC Race Series should be able to advise you .

[Erich Stahler]

majordad said:

My car is a 993 Cup RSR. Fitted with a factory Matter Cage from day one. The ( Belgian ) scrutineer was aware ( we were nt !) that Matter did not make the weld where the front joins the rear hoop 100%, probably since it's impossible to get at welding wise. We had to cut a hole in the roof and complete the weld there and then.
Re cages in general, IMHO you would need a cert or label on the cage, not any home made cages. The UK Scrutineer from our CSCC Race Series should be able to advise you .

The cage needs a certificate or label but does not need to be within a 5 yr date limit surely?

[vjay48]

I thought the thread was about seats/runners etc not roll cages?

[NJH]

Do they check the date on the neck of the race suit? I ask because mine is coming up to 5 years this year and I would like to race at Spa.

[stuartj]

NJH said:

Do they check the date on the neck of the race suit? I ask because mine is coming up to 5 years this year and I would like to race at Spa.

No, they check for dates on seats, extinguishers and belts but only that all clothing has the FIA Standard 8856-2000 labels.

[NJH]

Thanks Stuart

[majordad]

NJH said:

Do they check the date on the neck of the race suit? I ask because mine is coming up to 5 years this year and I would like to race at Spa.

They apply FIA standards, and FIA standards for suits do not specify a date, just the standard quoted above. Note the earlier standard 1986 is not now FIA.

And to the smart arse that made the comment "thought the thread was about seats/rails", we are just trying to help the guy by showing that events run at Spa even by UK Clubs under UK permits use FIA Standards.

[vjay48]

It was not a smart arse remark i was waiting for some valid info on seats etc.
If you have such a butterfly brain that you cannot deal with a subject in hand,do something else with your time Start a threadabout about seats,race wear etc with relation to use in non RACMSA events. Keyboard warriors,grow up ???