Passing an ARDS this season (and wheels off rules)

[Tanuki]

I'm doing some coaching next month for a mate who is taking his ARDS soon.

Does anyone know what the stance is on failing the assessment for "wheels off" in line with the new MSA rules?

Eg: is it an instant fail? Or like under race conditions, where repeated infractions will get you penalised?

TIA Folks.

[tristancliffe]

No need to use kerbs, white lines or grass on an ARDS day. Ever. I'd imagine that one, two, three or four wheels off would be instant fail.

[Maxx]

Just to be on the safe side I'd suggest your driver asks the examiner about usage of curbs. There still seems to be some confusion over the track limits ruling and best to be safe that sorry. In saying that, i'd steer clear of using curbs on a test anyway as they can destabilise the car and if you do not 'appear' to be in control you may fail.

[Tanuki]

Maxx said:

Just to be on the safe side I'd suggest your driver asks the examiner about usage of curbs. There still seems to be some confusion over the track limits ruling and best to be safe that sorry. In saying that, i'd steer clear of using curbs on a test anyway as they can destabilise the car and if you do not 'appear' to be in control you may fail.

Noted - Thanks Malcolm. I'll see you maybe on the afternoon in question anyhow

[wadsapple]

Definatly if you touch the white lines inside or outside defining track limits on your ards test that is a fail no excuses.

[woof]

Does anyone fail ARDs ?

[McSam]

woof said:

Does anyone fail ARDs ?

Depends where you do it and if they actually care what standard of driver they let through.

When I did mine at Silverstone a few years back, 11 of the 24 on the course failed, despite plenty of track day experience among them.


I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.

[woof]

McSam said:

woof said:

Does anyone fail ARDs ?

Depends where you do it and if they actually care what standard of driver they let through.

When I did mine at Silverstone a few years back, 11 of the 24 on the course failed, despite plenty of track day experience among them.


I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.

I think when I did it - 15 years ago. Basically if you didn't spin and didn't get your flags wrong, then you passed.

I did fail my instructors test though - but I was told that's because they only let X amount through each time

[Madgit]

Did mine last Saturday, on the kerb or anything over the line is a fail. Still accepted old flag rules on the test as well as new.

[terenceb]

McSam said:

epends where you do it and if they actually care what standard of driver they let through.

When I did mine at Silverstone a few years back, 11 of the 24 on the course failed, despite plenty of track day experience among them.


I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.

Quite usual for Silverstone, one occasion we had twenty applicants seven of whom passed the rest were disappointed.
As for failing the Instructors Examination, best to have a family member belong to the BRDC!
One reason I stopped going there !!!

[terenceb]

McSam said:

epends where you do it and if they actually care what standard of driver they let through.

When I did mine at Silverstone a few years back, 11 of the 24 on the course failed, despite plenty of track day experience among them.


I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.

Quite usual for Silverstone, one occasion we had twenty applicants seven of whom passed the rest were disappointed.
As for failing the Instructors Examination, best to have a family member belong to the BRDC!
One reason I stopped going there !!!

[woof]

terenceb said:

McSam said:

epends where you do it and if they actually care what standard of driver they let through.

When I did mine at Silverstone a few years back, 11 of the 24 on the course failed, despite plenty of track day experience among them.


I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.

Quite usual for Silverstone, one occasion we had twenty applicants seven of whom passed the rest were disappointed.
As for failing the Instructors Examination, best to have a family member belong to the BRDC!
One reason I stopped going there !!!

I'd like to take it again somewhere - must look into it

[terenceb]

Did mine through MSVR, they kindly sponsored me as I was doing quite a lot of sc stuff for them. If you have no links with them I would recommend Everyman at Mallory-people there (I hope its still going!) are ver helpful and friendly.Go for it and good luck.

[jpivey]

I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.
Quite usual for Silverstone, one occasion we had twenty applicants seven of whom passed the rest were disappointed.
As for failing the Instructors Examination, best to have a family member belong to the BRDC!
One reason I stopped going there !!!

Some people do talk complete rubbish I instruct at silverstone we did instructor training yesterday and out of the 8 new guys 7 past I failed one, as he couldn't do the job.
One had a connection to the BRDC as he was a rising star if I had taken him and he couldn't do the job he would have failed end of.

[kevski321]

My son took his ARDS at Silverstone and can highly recommended the guys there. The cost included 1/2 hour or an 1 hour of instructed track time which was invaluable and well worth the extra over some of the other tracks, which was just the test fee and no extra track time or tuition.

Also, if someone is not competent on the track would you really want them to be given a race license. I wouldn't want them on the startline with me until they had got to grips with the racing thing.

[A1Driver]

When I took my ARDS back in 2004 I didn't even get to drive a car - apparently they were too busy!

[Altrezia]

I did mine at Thruxton and it was great - Andrew (I think?) was the chap that led us through everything and instead of the normal waffle he treated us like proper people and we had a great (and lengthy) discussion about racing, rather than just watching the boring video and doing the test. It was really helpful and over and above what you pay for imho.

[terenceb]

jpivey said:

I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.
Quite usual for Silverstone, one occasion we had twenty applicants seven of whom passed the rest were disappointed.
As for failing the Instructors Examination, best to have a family member belong to the BRDC!
One reason I stopped going there !!!

Some people do talk complete rubbish I instruct at silverstone we did instructor training yesterday and out of the 8 new guys 7 past I failed one, as he couldn't do the job.
One had a connection to the BRDC as he was a rising star if I had taken him and he couldn't do the job he would have failed end of.

Glad things have changed there then.

[terenceb]

jpivey said:

I agree with the posters above though, there's absolutely no call to go over the lines or use the kerbs in ARDS test.
Quite usual for Silverstone, one occasion we had twenty applicants seven of whom passed the rest were disappointed.
As for failing the Instructors Examination, best to have a family member belong to the BRDC!
One reason I stopped going there !!!

Some people do talk complete rubbish I instruct at silverstone we did instructor training yesterday and out of the 8 new guys 7 past I failed one, as he couldn't do the job.
One had a connection to the BRDC as he was a rising star if I had taken him and he couldn't do the job he would have failed end of.

Glad things have changed there then.

[pete21]

If you would like to do your ARDS instructor licence contact me at [e-mail] i can then give you any information you may need

woof said:

I'd like to take it again somewhere - must look into it