Can you go rallying in a standard road car (no cage etc)?
Can you go rallying in a standard road car (no cage etc)?
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Synchromesh

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2,428 posts

188 months

Friday 14th March 2014
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As above really, can I take my own bog standard E36 BMW onto a loose surface rally, or would I need a 'proper' caged car with all relevant safety features? And if I can, how and where?

Matt UK

18,080 posts

222 months

Friday 14th March 2014
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Standard cars sliding sideways into trees is never pretty. Oooofff!

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

220 months

Friday 14th March 2014
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You want a 12car / nav / plot and dash rally.

Google for a local motor club and see what they have in their calendar

lamboman100

1,445 posts

143 months

Friday 14th March 2014
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Stockcar racing can give similar thrills at lower cost and less risk.

Synchromesh

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

188 months

Friday 14th March 2014
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SystemParanoia said:
You want a 12car / nav / plot and dash rally.

Google for a local motor club and see what they have in their calendar
I want something on a loose surface where I can skid about to my heart's content without wrecking tyres!

BOBTEE

1,034 posts

186 months

Friday 14th March 2014
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No. And if you did the car, especially the tyres, wouldn't work for very long. HTH smile

Debaser

7,510 posts

283 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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lamboman100 said:
Stockcar racing can give similar thrills at lower cost and less risk.
But risk is what makes motorsport fun.

Debaser

7,510 posts

283 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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BOBTEE said:
No. And if you did the car, especially the tyres, wouldn't work for very long. HTH smile
I'd be more concerned about gravel punching holes in the floor.

Synchromesh

Original Poster:

2,428 posts

188 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Debaser said:
BOBTEE said:
No. And if you did the car, especially the tyres, wouldn't work for very long. HTH smile
I'd be more concerned about gravel punching holes in the floor.
Errrmm, seriously? So this is a bad idea?

GravelBen

16,314 posts

252 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Debaser said:
I'd be more concerned about gravel punching holes in the floor.
rofl

Thats quite hilarious.

On a more serious note though - sideways antics will still chew up your tyres on gravel(though not as fast as some people seem to think), and I wouldn't want to try competitive rallying in a regular road car! But I have plenty of safe enough fun on public gravel roads.

Edited by GravelBen on Saturday 15th March 04:39

Galveston

759 posts

221 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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SystemParanoia said:
You want a 12car / nav / plot and dash rally.
A proper welsh road rally usually involves a good few miles of twirling around on gravel, and you don't need much in the way of safety kit.

Riley Blue

22,828 posts

248 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Synchromesh said:
I want something on a loose surface where I can skid about to my heart's content without wrecking tyres!
Join the army, drive a tank.

tapkaJohnD

2,000 posts

226 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Synchro,
Look for a skid pan in your area. http://www.driverskills.com/shop/skid-pan-training...
Don't know if they will let you use your own car,but several rely on bald tyres blown up to 60psi and a water spray to make it slippy, so that could work if you invested in some tyres buffed to the carcase.

But Hill Climb & Sprint cars in Road Going Production classes are onky "recommended" to have a ROPS. Talk to a local club.

carl_w

10,343 posts

280 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Look into Targa Rallies, but they're on tarmac.

fat80b

3,154 posts

243 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Yep - Targa rally is what you are looking for.

We run an mx5 without a cage in the Targa rallies run by Chelmsford MC and WSMC. I think there are 5 events planned for this year in the East of England.

Although it is mostly Tarmac, it is fair to say that there is a lot of loose stuff as well, both gravel and mud etc.

Can't have more fun for the money...
Bob

Ranger 6

7,527 posts

271 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Synchromesh said:
I want something on a loose surface where I can skid about to my heart's content without wrecking tyres!
Skidpan - I answered you're other thread but didn't realise you were going to use ordinary tyres. I've seen marshals have punctures driving sensibly at 20mph, so a hoon is likely to wreck them quite quickly.

Madgit

109 posts

175 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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Have you looked at the drifting at Oulton Park, it may be what you need. It isn't quite what I imagined it to be (I'm not really into "powersliding")

Debaser

7,510 posts

283 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Synchromesh said:
Debaser said:
BOBTEE said:
No. And if you did the car, especially the tyres, wouldn't work for very long. HTH smile
I'd be more concerned about gravel punching holes in the floor.
Errrmm, seriously? So this is a bad idea?
I've seen holes in the floor of brand new cars after one weekend of rallying on gravel. They had no underfloor protection. This may not bother you though.

velocemitch

4,019 posts

242 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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Galveston said:
SystemParanoia said:
You want a 12car / nav / plot and dash rally.
A proper welsh road rally usually involves a good few miles of twirling around on gravel, and you don't need much in the way of safety kit.
Quite true, except not in the Car the original poster mentioned as it appears to be a 328, therefore excluded on the fact it has too many cylinders. 4 Cylinder maximum applies on Road Rallies, except on Navigation Rally permits and there aren't enough of them too bother building a Car to suit.

Targa Rallies still fit best, but many of them (at least in the North of England) insist the Cars are built to Road Rally rules so it's still excluded.

Standard Tyres take a beating on Gravel, but some stand up to it better than others, Low Profile soft sidewalls are particularly vulnerable, I wrecked a pair on my own 156GTA by just being a little too exuberant at modest speed on Gravel (not competing) and we used to wreck Tyres regularly on the Whites in our Clio 172 Road Rally Car, (couldn't get decent Knobblies inside the arches)

As for punching holes in floors, I've seen that happen on Road Events too, some of the Whites are rougher than any Stage.

Easiest answer if the OP want's some genuine sideways action at a reasonable budget is to swap the Big Beemer for something a bit smaller, 318is with the standard slippy diff works well.

Debaser

7,510 posts

283 months

Sunday 16th March 2014
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GravelBen said:
Debaser said:
I'd be more concerned about gravel punching holes in the floor.
rofl

Thats quite hilarious.
Ok.