Anyone else training as Clerk of Course (Motorsport UK)
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Hi,
Is anyone else training as Clerk of Course ?
I'm currently doing my Speed Clerk of Course training, back in early 2023 I thought it would be a good idea to expand my knowledge and become a Clerk...
I'm currently Entries Sec for a small MotorClub in the North West and performed most jobs under the guise of "Speed" events, marshal, Event Sec, Entries Sec, web admin for our club etc having competed in Speed events myself for a number of years previously.
It's a bigger under taking than I expected. Was hoping to get my training completed by the end of the 2023 season, but that's looking less likely now.
Still pushing to get from Assistant Clerk of Course (No responsibility for anything) to Deputy Clerk of Course for the 2024 season. Then I think that will take me another season I think to be come qualified Clerk of Course.
I'm told it's much harder training / qualification than it used to be.
Anyone any experience of the Assistant Clerk to Deputy Clerk assessment ? It's a group WhatsApp verbal exam from what I've heard.
Ta
BS
Is anyone else training as Clerk of Course ?
I'm currently doing my Speed Clerk of Course training, back in early 2023 I thought it would be a good idea to expand my knowledge and become a Clerk...
I'm currently Entries Sec for a small MotorClub in the North West and performed most jobs under the guise of "Speed" events, marshal, Event Sec, Entries Sec, web admin for our club etc having competed in Speed events myself for a number of years previously.
It's a bigger under taking than I expected. Was hoping to get my training completed by the end of the 2023 season, but that's looking less likely now.
Still pushing to get from Assistant Clerk of Course (No responsibility for anything) to Deputy Clerk of Course for the 2024 season. Then I think that will take me another season I think to be come qualified Clerk of Course.
I'm told it's much harder training / qualification than it used to be.
Anyone any experience of the Assistant Clerk to Deputy Clerk assessment ? It's a group WhatsApp verbal exam from what I've heard.
Ta
BS
blackscooby said:
Anyone any experience of the Assistant Clerk to Deputy Clerk assessment ? It's a group WhatsApp verbal exam from what I've heard.
Hi,I've been qualified for about 10 years now but a few people I know are going through the process. It's currently a one-to-one Zoom call with an assessor.
There's also a minimum time period and you generally have to Clerk at multiple venues as well before you can upgrade but hopefully your mentor will have gone through all that with you.
stavers said:
Hi,
I've been qualified for about 10 years now but a few people I know are going through the process. It's currently a one-to-one Zoom call with an assessor.
There's also a minimum time period and you generally have to Clerk at multiple venues as well before you can upgrade but hopefully your mentor will have gone through all that with you.
Hi,I've been qualified for about 10 years now but a few people I know are going through the process. It's currently a one-to-one Zoom call with an assessor.
There's also a minimum time period and you generally have to Clerk at multiple venues as well before you can upgrade but hopefully your mentor will have gone through all that with you.
Thanks for your response, I'm about through my "Speed Clerk Training Record" with the vast majority signed off with the exception of Judicial tasks. In Speed thankfully there isn't much Judicial to worry about. However, this makes it more difficult to complete.
I'm due to attend a Karting session that should so I'm told bring in lots of Judicial opportunity. Then I've just got a task to complete that I missed during the 2023 season. I've spoken to MSUK and I can't go for my assessment even if I complete prior to my anniversary date of the End March.
I've Assisted at 7 events at 4 different venues thus far since March 2023.
Thanks
BS
Good luck for getting the licence and progressing, and thanks for volunteering!
I started down the development route for Rally Clerk of the Course, I currently have an Assistant Clerk's licence.
To be honest, the time required to undertake the training, experience-gathering and implementation has become too much for me. It's just not practical with a full-time job, 2 young kids and living the SE England where there aren't so many rallies.
I've recently added Safety Car ticket to my licence, and I've volunteered at as many events as I can.
All the best
I started down the development route for Rally Clerk of the Course, I currently have an Assistant Clerk's licence.
To be honest, the time required to undertake the training, experience-gathering and implementation has become too much for me. It's just not practical with a full-time job, 2 young kids and living the SE England where there aren't so many rallies.
I've recently added Safety Car ticket to my licence, and I've volunteered at as many events as I can.
All the best
thepawbroon said:
Good luck for getting the licence and progressing, and thanks for volunteering!
I started down the development route for Rally Clerk of the Course, I currently have an Assistant Clerk's licence.
To be honest, the time required to undertake the training, experience-gathering and implementation has become too much for me. It's just not practical with a full-time job, 2 young kids and living the SE England where there aren't so many rallies.
I've recently added Safety Car ticket to my licence, and I've volunteered at as many events as I can.
All the best
It's absolutely that, the time commitment is significant. I get in trouble at home for "going to another motorsport event".I started down the development route for Rally Clerk of the Course, I currently have an Assistant Clerk's licence.
To be honest, the time required to undertake the training, experience-gathering and implementation has become too much for me. It's just not practical with a full-time job, 2 young kids and living the SE England where there aren't so many rallies.
I've recently added Safety Car ticket to my licence, and I've volunteered at as many events as I can.
All the best
On top of that I'm oncall every 2nd weekend that swapping weekend days oncall around buggers stuff up. Heyho, I used to compete pre lad (who'se now 13!) and enjoy being involved again now, if that's the cost of being involved then so bit it. Once I'm qualified I'm hoping the requirements will reduce.
Cheers all,
BS.
D_G said:
As a competitor I'd just like to thank you for all of your efforts with your club and with becoming a clerk. Without guys like you we can't play, I'm the other end of the country so unfortunately unlikely to meet you but I raise a virtual pint to you, cheers!
As a spectator I'd also like to thank you 
blackscooby said:
....I'm due to attend a Karting session that should so I'm told bring in lots of Judicial opportunity.
I'm just starting my stewards training and expect it will take about 2 years. Funnily enough, my first assessment is Judicials at the end of October.More relevant to your question, a friend is doing his Clerk's ticket for rallies and it's taken him nearly 3 years. I realise speed events are different but doing the whole thing in less than a year may be difficult? (Or have I misinterpreted your OP)
Bit of an update 2 years on from my original post.
I finally had my MSUK Clerk of Course in post assessment from Deputy to National Clerk of Course the other weekend at a Season Finale "win it or bin it" event at Harewood.
The final tally is 2 1/2 years and 20 events from starting my Clerk of Course journey as an "assistant" to fully qualified National Clerk.
It's a relief to get it completed, the assessment was nothing like I had imagined. I had all sorts in my head about being cross examined at every opportunity on stuff from the NCRs . However, in reality it was a MSUK chap shadowing me for parts of the day, and seeing how I managed what needed to be done.
It was a frantic day with a major oil spill, late lunch break tough calls on number of runs (due to said oil leak) and a few offs etc. I spoke to my assessor much less than I thought I would, he just let me get on with the day.
We did speak about my past experience including a major incident recently and how that was handled, and how we handled Junior competitors, which we had one during the event.
If I knew it was going to take so long, with so many events I might have thought twice about it. Mrs BS would have definitely said no to me being out so much, but it became a challenge and something I'm proud of completing even if the vast majority of people have no idea about it at all
(Work colleagues etc)
Good luck to anyone undertaking the training, it's worth it in the end (if not financially!)
I finally had my MSUK Clerk of Course in post assessment from Deputy to National Clerk of Course the other weekend at a Season Finale "win it or bin it" event at Harewood.
The final tally is 2 1/2 years and 20 events from starting my Clerk of Course journey as an "assistant" to fully qualified National Clerk.
It's a relief to get it completed, the assessment was nothing like I had imagined. I had all sorts in my head about being cross examined at every opportunity on stuff from the NCRs . However, in reality it was a MSUK chap shadowing me for parts of the day, and seeing how I managed what needed to be done.
It was a frantic day with a major oil spill, late lunch break tough calls on number of runs (due to said oil leak) and a few offs etc. I spoke to my assessor much less than I thought I would, he just let me get on with the day.
We did speak about my past experience including a major incident recently and how that was handled, and how we handled Junior competitors, which we had one during the event.
If I knew it was going to take so long, with so many events I might have thought twice about it. Mrs BS would have definitely said no to me being out so much, but it became a challenge and something I'm proud of completing even if the vast majority of people have no idea about it at all
(Work colleagues etc)
Good luck to anyone undertaking the training, it's worth it in the end (if not financially!)
Thanks for the update, and well done. My friend has got his CoC ticket now too.
I still haven't witnessed a judicial which is the final part of the training.
Last year was a bit full on with 6 training events done, this year has been much quieter as I try to find suitable events to see the necessary sessions. I've witnessed lots of CoC disciplinaries, but nothing has gone to the stewards.
Once I get that covered, next is a virtual interview to assess suitability to go for the final qualifying step, an observed event.
I still haven't witnessed a judicial which is the final part of the training.
Last year was a bit full on with 6 training events done, this year has been much quieter as I try to find suitable events to see the necessary sessions. I've witnessed lots of CoC disciplinaries, but nothing has gone to the stewards.
Once I get that covered, next is a virtual interview to assess suitability to go for the final qualifying step, an observed event.
blackscooby said:
Good luck to anyone undertaking the training, it's worth it in the end (if not financially!)
Congrats that is a decent milestone. I was supposed to start my training last season but new job and working patterns put paid to that, I haven’t set foot on a circuit all year
Out of interest are all levels of UK events unpaid? Here you get pocket money for marshalling but Chief roles are circa £200 a day and steward / CoC more so.
My ex (we met marshalling) got her steward ticket and has managed to develop that into a permanent role with both FIM and WEC, so routes do exist.
Ranger 6 said:
Thanks for the update, and well done. My friend has got his CoC ticket now too.
I still haven't witnessed a judicial which is the final part of the training.
Last year was a bit full on with 6 training events done, this year has been much quieter as I try to find suitable events to see the necessary sessions. I've witnessed lots of CoC disciplinaries, but nothing has gone to the stewards.
Once I get that covered, next is a virtual interview to assess suitability to go for the final qualifying step, an observed event.
In Speed discipline judicials are few and far between, I ended up going to Trent Valley Karting and witnessing their judicial process which was a crazy day. Kids and their parents queuing out of the door to attend a judicial with the stewards. I think we did 90 !I still haven't witnessed a judicial which is the final part of the training.
Last year was a bit full on with 6 training events done, this year has been much quieter as I try to find suitable events to see the necessary sessions. I've witnessed lots of CoC disciplinaries, but nothing has gone to the stewards.
Once I get that covered, next is a virtual interview to assess suitability to go for the final qualifying step, an observed event.
As a trainee I wasn't involved as such, and merely sat in, but that ticked the required boxes, again that was my final step before my Whatsapp video call with an assessor. Just think safety at every point, safety of the public, safety of marshals, safety of competitors, risk management etc. That is what we discussed, but my chap was a MSUK safety advisor ! It was somewhat of an informal chat, about my motorsport history, involvement etc, but with a theme of safety and some items that were turned into "what would you have done if presented with x" etc. The main discussion point was regarding an incident (at the time) at Coventry MotorFest. I know the competitor involved and the marshal who was nearly cleaning up (who is actually a CoC as well) That got me my Deputy CoC ticket...
Then 12 elapsed months and 6 events (minimum) before you can get assessed to National CoC in Speed.
Good luck with your interview, let me know how you get on.
shirt said:
Congrats that is a decent milestone.
I was supposed to start my training last season but new job and working patterns put paid to that, I haven t set foot on a circuit all year
Out of interest are all levels of UK events unpaid? Here you get pocket money for marshalling but Chief roles are circa £200 a day and steward / CoC more so.
My ex (we met marshalling) got her steward ticket and has managed to develop that into a permanent role with both FIM and WEC, so routes do exist.
Paid ??? I wish, it's voluntary. MSUK Stewards get paid by MSUK. I know I needed to do my events for my upgrade, but for the vast majority I don't even get fuel money when attending as a CoC. "For the love of the sport". The events I help run at Mid Cheshire Motor Club we give marshals a lunch voucher and some pocket money, but it isn't much, more of a token of appreciation. We'd love to give more, but we do well to break even nowadays.I was supposed to start my training last season but new job and working patterns put paid to that, I haven t set foot on a circuit all year
Out of interest are all levels of UK events unpaid? Here you get pocket money for marshalling but Chief roles are circa £200 a day and steward / CoC more so.
My ex (we met marshalling) got her steward ticket and has managed to develop that into a permanent role with both FIM and WEC, so routes do exist.
Edited by blackscooby on Thursday 2nd October 09:45
Edited by blackscooby on Thursday 2nd October 09:56
I’m in UAE.
The mso brought in a token payment (£20 a day) for Marshall’s paid at the end of the meeting, as they found people would wander off bored and have to cancel the meet due to lack of coverage.
This was in the early days of the autodrome and before yas was built. We still struggle with recruitment due to the transient nature of the place. I am a chief scrutineer for national events and deputy chief for f3/2/1 purely by dint of being here long enough.
It’s quite nice to get a hotel on yas and paid enough for a decent meal out to attend events that I’d volunteer for anyway, I’m not complaining! F1 weekend, stewards are put up in the yas marina hotel, marshals bussed in from an hour away.
The mso brought in a token payment (£20 a day) for Marshall’s paid at the end of the meeting, as they found people would wander off bored and have to cancel the meet due to lack of coverage.
This was in the early days of the autodrome and before yas was built. We still struggle with recruitment due to the transient nature of the place. I am a chief scrutineer for national events and deputy chief for f3/2/1 purely by dint of being here long enough.
It’s quite nice to get a hotel on yas and paid enough for a decent meal out to attend events that I’d volunteer for anyway, I’m not complaining! F1 weekend, stewards are put up in the yas marina hotel, marshals bussed in from an hour away.
blackscooby said:
Bit of an update 2 years on from my original post.
I finally had my MSUK Clerk of Course in post assessment from Deputy to National Clerk of Course the other weekend at a Season Finale "win it or bin it" event at Harewood.
The final tally is 2 1/2 years and 20 events from starting my Clerk of Course journey as an "assistant" to fully qualified National Clerk.
It's a relief to get it completed, the assessment was nothing like I had imagined. I had all sorts in my head about being cross examined at every opportunity on stuff from the NCRs . However, in reality it was a MSUK chap shadowing me for parts of the day, and seeing how I managed what needed to be done.
It was a frantic day with a major oil spill, late lunch break tough calls on number of runs (due to said oil leak) and a few offs etc. I spoke to my assessor much less than I thought I would, he just let me get on with the day.
We did speak about my past experience including a major incident recently and how that was handled, and how we handled Junior competitors, which we had one during the event.
If I knew it was going to take so long, with so many events I might have thought twice about it. Mrs BS would have definitely said no to me being out so much, but it became a challenge and something I'm proud of completing even if the vast majority of people have no idea about it at all
(Work colleagues etc)
Good luck to anyone undertaking the training, it's worth it in the end (if not financially!)
Yes it was a rather large oil spill (thankfully it was from a dry sumped car) But considering the weather on Saturday I am pleased we had a nice weather day Sunday.I finally had my MSUK Clerk of Course in post assessment from Deputy to National Clerk of Course the other weekend at a Season Finale "win it or bin it" event at Harewood.
The final tally is 2 1/2 years and 20 events from starting my Clerk of Course journey as an "assistant" to fully qualified National Clerk.
It's a relief to get it completed, the assessment was nothing like I had imagined. I had all sorts in my head about being cross examined at every opportunity on stuff from the NCRs . However, in reality it was a MSUK chap shadowing me for parts of the day, and seeing how I managed what needed to be done.
It was a frantic day with a major oil spill, late lunch break tough calls on number of runs (due to said oil leak) and a few offs etc. I spoke to my assessor much less than I thought I would, he just let me get on with the day.
We did speak about my past experience including a major incident recently and how that was handled, and how we handled Junior competitors, which we had one during the event.
If I knew it was going to take so long, with so many events I might have thought twice about it. Mrs BS would have definitely said no to me being out so much, but it became a challenge and something I'm proud of completing even if the vast majority of people have no idea about it at all
(Work colleagues etc)
Good luck to anyone undertaking the training, it's worth it in the end (if not financially!)
(I am part of the Orange Army, although I was in grey at the weekend)
Drumroll said:
Yes it was a rather large oil spill (thankfully it was from a dry sumped car) But considering the weather on Saturday I am pleased we had a nice weather day Sunday.
(I am part of the Orange Army, although I was in grey at the weekend)
Saturday was brutal, 2 extra track inspections during the day, extra water draining gullies cut. Not pleasant. (I am part of the Orange Army, although I was in grey at the weekend)
Sunday - going all so well, until the 2nd but last car of T1 ! We were late into lunch before that occurred !
Bring on 2026 though - looking forward to it.
blackscooby said:
Saturday was brutal, 2 extra track inspections during the day, extra water draining gullies cut. Not pleasant.
Sunday - going all so well, until the 2nd but last car of T1 ! We were late into lunch before that occurred !
Bring on 2026 though - looking forward to it.
Yes hopefully it will be a good season. I still have a few events and a couple of training days before the end of 2025 though.Sunday - going all so well, until the 2nd but last car of T1 ! We were late into lunch before that occurred !
Bring on 2026 though - looking forward to it.
Ranger 6 said:
Stewards only get travel, accommodation and meal expenses - There aren't any further payments.
ah I didn't realise that, I thought they got an attendance payment.Drumroll said:
Yes hopefully it will be a good season. I still have a few events and a couple of training days before the end of 2025 though.
A Harewood event later in the year ? December Rallye Harewood ?Just checked the website, and it's public knowledge now.
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