HRCR - OK to "create" a particualr model?

[Duke Caboom]

Anyone know if HRCR register allow the "creation" of particualr models. Could you get a standard Cortina and convert to Lotus spec, for example, or a Mini 850 to a Cooper? I know this has been normal practice in rallying since time began but I once equired about it in a race championship and it very much wasn't allowed.

Obvioulsy would stick to the correct age catagory.

[Accidentalhero]

It s standard practice in Historic racing so I can t see why it s not also eligible in rallying. There are far more Lotus Cortina s racing now than in period because people have done exactly as you state, buy a regular three door and rebuild it to spec, apply for the historic technical passport and go racing

You would need to build it to the correct spec and find an eligibility scrutineer but it s all been done before. The boom in historic racing means many cars competing are “toolroom copies” or some other such description that basically means replica but that’s a dirty word at places like Goodwood…

For example, I have a friend who, in 2015-16, built an FIA spec MG B roadster from a 1964 road car and now competes in the Masters series. The car was a road car all it’s life until he bought it and turned it into a race car.

Edited by Accidentalhero on Friday 28th August 20:54

[Duke Caboom]

Accidentalhero said:

It s standard practice in Historic racing so I can t see why it s not also eligible in rallying. There are far more Lotus Cortina s racing now than in period because people have done exactly as you state, buy a regular three door and rebuild it to spec, apply for the historic technical passport and go racing

You would need to build it to the correct spec and find an eligibility scrutineer but it s all been done before. The boom in historic racing means many cars competing are toolroom copies or some other such description that basically means replica but that s a dirty word at places like Goodwood

For example, I have a friend who, in 2015-16, built an FIA spec MG B roadster from a 1964 road car and now competes in the Masters series. The car was a road car all it s life until he bought it and turned it into a race car.

Edited by Accidentalhero on Friday 28th August 20:54

Great thanks. I once enquired about it for a hostoric racing championship, and not a particulalry highfalutin one at that, and they were completly against. This was at least a decade ago, so maybe they would have softened by now...

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Duke Caboom said:

Anyone know if HRCR register allow the "creation" of particualr models. Could you get a standard Cortina and convert to Lotus spec, for example, or a Mini 850 to a Cooper? I know this has been normal practice in rallying since time began but I once equired about it in a race championship and it very much wasn't allowed.

Obvioulsy would stick to the correct age catagory.

Speak to a series technical scrutineer. Do not rely on various people on this forum (not saying they don't have the best intention), but you could end up paying a lot of money but end up with a car that isn't eligible for any series

[louis01]

Drumroll said:

Speak to a series technical scrutineer. Do not rely on various people on this forum (not saying they don't have the best intention), but you could end up paying a lot of money but end up with a car that isn't eligible for any series

Yeah, historic rallying is way more forgiving than circuit racing here.

For HRCR and Motorsport UK historic events, building a clone—like making an 850 Mini into a Cooper or a Cortina into a Lotus spec—is totally fine. The main rule is that the finished car has to strictly match the period Homologation Form for that model and age group.
Unlike circuit racing, which often insists on the original factory VIN, rally eligibility is all about the car being built to correct period specs (engine, brakes, suspension, etc.). Just grab the official homologation papers for the spec you're aiming for and double-check with an HRCR scrutineer before you start cutting metal, but it's done all the time.

[Accidentalhero]

I’ve only ever known organisers want a HTP not the VIN or chassis number?

You can buy a Cameron Millar Maserati 250F for example and be welcomed anywhere. It’s a tool room copy but it was still built in the 70s

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Accidentalhero said:

I ve only ever known organisers want a HTP not the VIN or chassis number?

You can buy a Cameron Millar Maserati 250F for example and be welcomed anywhere. It s a tool room copy but it was still built in the 70s

As I said earlier you need to speak to series scrutineers. Different series have different rules, it is as simple as that.

[aeropilot]

louis01 said:

Unlike circuit racing, which often insists on the original factory VIN, rally eligibility is all about the car being built to correct period specs (engine, brakes, suspension, etc.). Just grab the official homologation papers for the spec you're aiming for and double-check with an HRCR scrutineer before you start cutting metal, but it's done all the time.

Circuit racing is no different.
As said above, you won't find a genuine Lotus-Cortina VIN on any of the Lotus-Cortina's running in the St.Mary's at Goodwood Revival.