Oil System Flow Diagram
Oil System Flow Diagram
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builder

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271 months

Sunday 17th April 2005
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Is this flow diagram correct?



Please feel free to share any specific part numbers and mounting locations.

Thanks!

B1 ECC

389 posts

284 months

Sunday 17th April 2005
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My dry-sump system goes as follows: From tank to suction side of pump, exit's pressure side of pump into inline filter, exits filter into oil cooler, exits oil cooler via temp take off into engine main oil gallery via filter housing adapter plate.
Engine builder insisted that filter was after pump, ----pump expendable engine not! add to that, pumps--pump better than they suck !!

builder

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1,225 posts

271 months

Monday 18th April 2005
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This is more appropriate, then?


Is an overflow tank required with a dry sump?

B1 ECC

389 posts

284 months

Monday 18th April 2005
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Are you thinking of using the standard engine oil pump?

builder

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Monday 18th April 2005
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B1 ECC said:
Are you thinking of using the standard engine oil pump?
No, I was thinking dry sump only. I probably should have removed the circle by the engine. I have never seen a dry sump pan up close, but I think the lines come directly from bungs on the pan.

Igor+

79 posts

279 months

Monday 18th April 2005
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Isn’t it better to plumb oil cooler + thermostat after the outlet of suction part of DS pump?

builder

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Monday 18th April 2005
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Diagram revised above... Is this closer?

B1 ECC

389 posts

284 months

Tuesday 19th April 2005
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Start with the dry sump pump, it has three connectors underneath (Suction Side) and two connectors on top (Pressure side). First line comes from the lower part of the dry sump oil tank to the underside of the pump, the pump pressurises the oil and exits the pump by the connector directly opposite on top, from here the line goes into a suitable filter exits the filter, the line can then go through a thermostat and an oil cooler as per your diagram, when it leaves the stat or the cooler it then goes directly to the engine main oil gallery via a suitable adapter on the unused oil filter housing.
On the scavenge side, two lines leave the dry sump pan pass through indvidual inline scavenge filters and into the underside of the pump, these two lines are brought together inside the pump and exit via a single outlet on the topside of the pump(The return line is usually of a larger bore) and then returns to the dry sump tank via a connector at the top of the tank.The cycle is then repeated.
What do you mean by pre-lube?

>> Edited by B1 ECC on Tuesday 19th April 09:24

builder

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Wednesday 20th April 2005
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Okay, that's a little more plumbing than I had suspected. I just got a flow diagram from a dry sump system manufacturer; Stef's. Ian, it's just as you described. That's a lot of hose(!) and a lot of oil(!) and a lot of travel for the oil.

In their four-stage system ($2,400), oil is drawn from the pan by three fitting-filtered lines into three ports on the bottom of the pump. Three lines out the pump top go to the top of the (1.5 gallon!) sump tank. One line from the tank bottom goes back to the bottom of the pump, then, out the top of that same pump section into the engine.

An optional cooler (and/or pre-lube) would install in the return line section. If a cooler is installed, the remote filter is also installed.

The pre-lube is like an Accusump, except designed only to provide line pressure before engine start-up.

The three-stage ($2,255) is identical, except for two pick-ups in the pan and the three-stage pump.

In the four-stage, the pan pick-ups are right- and left-rear, and left front.

The kit includes pump, pan, tank with heater and catch-can, remote filter, all mounting hardware, filtered fittings...everything but hose and hose ends.

To this, I would add a pressure warning light and buzzer alarm.

Your comments are appreciated...

steve_D

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287 months

Wednesday 20th April 2005
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builder said:
........An optional cooler (and/or pre-lube) would install in the return line section.....


How does the pre-lube work if it is in the return line?
Surely it needs to be in the supply line direct into the engine oil gallery.

Steve

P.S. The pipe fittings alone will break the bank.

B1 ECC

389 posts

284 months

Wednesday 20th April 2005
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I use a three stage Petersen pump and a Canton dry sump pan, all the lines are -12 apart from the return line which is -16.
Not a cheap way to do it, but a constant 70psi irespective of what forces you apply to the car buys a lot of peace of mind.

builder

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Wednesday 20th April 2005
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steve_D said:
How does the pre-lube work if it is in the return line?
Surely it needs to be in the supply line direct into the engine oil gallery.

Steve

P.S. The pipe fittings alone will break the bank.
Yes, exactly correct...supply line.

Ha! That's what I was thinking about the fittings. There must be a more consolidated method. Is this really what it takes to run an efficient dry-sump system; the special pan, pump, oil tank, vent/overflow, remote filter, (pre-lube), thermostat and cooler?

builder

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Friday 29th April 2005
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Okay, here's the system. Any comments? This uses the stock pump for pressure. The pump will have an additional stage to run a trans cooler. There will be an oil stat and cooler. Took me way to long to draw that!!!