ultima gtr or can - am?

[leo-786]

Im having dificulties which to buy.

gtr looks better and most on the road gtrs

can-am, you get the wind in your hair,lighter.

but it is minor things that concern me . eg aerodynamics, noise in cockpit

[Steve_D]

Looking at your other post your only choice is the GTR as the CanAm will not have enough space for the size of blower you will need.

The only records you could need 1000hp for will be top speed straight line which is why Geoff built his to run the Silverlake Classic.

In terms of noise they are both going to be loud and the difference will only be slight.

Steve

[leo-786]

iv noticed the gtr720 ultima took to the top gear track, wasnt that noisy in the cockpit a low revs.

Edited by leo-786 on Saturday 19th January 09:25

[LuckyP]

Tell us what you do for a living and we'll tell you what car suits your requirements.

It's just a little game we like to play.

ie. Builder or hairdresser............(you can see straight through this one, right?)

[leo-786]

i live 70 or so miles from the factory in england,hinkly,leistershire.
the the weather is likely to be wet and cold, most of the time.occupation: trainee doctor
iv got £30,000 to spend.want a car that is better to live with and faster than the bugatti veyron. a car that will stick out in crowd (ultima, ideal choice)especialy in weddings. its a great feeling how kids and men crowd around your car. I hired a lambo months ago and took it to a wedding.

thanx alot for the info "high flyer"

Edited by leo-786 on Saturday 19th January 12:50

[eliot]

leo-786 said:

iv got £30,000 to spend.

That should cover the 1000bhp engine and pay for the 'box that will take the power. So just need to find another 30+ k to pay for the rest of the car?

[CanAm Dave]

If you only have £30,000 to spend then give up now! If you want 1000bhp then you would need to double or more like triple that amount!

Regards Dave

[bluesatin]

I think £30K will get you the box alone! Engine the same and the car to take that £60K- Always could try and go cheap but doubt you could do it less than £100K

[leo-786]

£20k for the car.
£+2k for air con
£22k for the car with no engine,im sure they provide a gear box that can take 720 bhp or less.
£8k for a engine.

Edited by leo-786 on Saturday 19th January 14:47

[qwicksylva]

Leo, you can pick up a used Ultima for that, then save up and modify it to increase power. I'm not sure what your plans are or what you want to use it for but I would say that I have been lucky enough to go for a ride in a certain very well presented 425+bhp Ultima CanAm and it's breathtakingly quick, I'd be happy with that much power. Admittedly he wants a bit more than your budget for his car but there are other Ultimas out there for C£30k that will be as quick if not quite as new or well finished.

You should be able to find one for about £25k and with a bit of careful buying you'll be able to tidy it and perhaps make it go a bit quicker with the other £5k, I'd convert it to fuel injection for a start, maybe add a blower for quick cheapish gains. I'm not sure you'll get a CanAm for that as they're fairly new but you should be able to find a Sport or an older GTR.

Rich

[qwicksylva]

From your list above I'd say your original estimate of £16k for the car without engine is too low, even £20k.... I'm sure some of the guys have more experience of this than I do but there's a list somewhere of the real cost of building an Ultima.... all the parts in the catalogue don't make up all the parts and the services that you will need to construct it ;-)

The LS engine is a good choice though as it's all alloy (light), modern, fuel injected, plentiful and powerful. Also, you can pick an LS1 crate engine with that 450bhp spec up from the states or Australia for about £4k including taxes and shipping. Add your engine management, exhausts etc. and you've spent about £7k. Add a blower, inlet etc...

Edited by qwicksylva on Saturday 19th January 14:52

[leo-786]

"Also, you can pick an LS1 crate engine with that 450bhp spec up from the states or Australia for about £4k including taxes and shipping"

thats a bargain compare to the ones on amerspeed.

do you have link for it? can they ship to england?

[qwicksylva]

Hi, I'm not talking brand new for that sort of money but good used. They appear on Ebay fairly regularly. I brought one in last year for another project from a good dismantlers for £3,300 including taxes. It came with a whole drive train for a holden GTS which I sold and the auto gearbox it was originally on the car with. I broke it and sold it for a profit.

[leo-786]

coudnt find the LS1 crate engine,however i did find a ls6 for about £3k,405 bhp

do any LS engine fit the ultima?

[eliot]

Here's a very out of date price list for you to play around with.
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~eliotmez/UltimaNew...

[SlackBlevens]

Hi Leo

If you buy all new parts from the factory, excluding engine & gearbox you'll spend £35-42k.

Cheers
Darren

Edited by SlackBlevens on Saturday 19th January 17:38

[leo-786]

thanx elliot for that excel file.

exremely useful.

guess im gonna have to save up a bit longer

[leo-786]

what do you exactly get for stage 1-17?

i know you dont get the engine, but what about the seats? or the wheels?

Edited by leo-786 on Saturday 19th January 18:01

[Steve_D]

A visit to the factory web site will give you the complete list of items in each stage and a list of extras which is, from memory, where you will find seats and wheels etc.

Steve

[andygtt]

To build a proper 1000bhp Ultima is going to cost you £70k+... unless of cause you skimp in area's that will need upgrading from std to make it reliable, like the gearbox, stub axles, cooling etc etc.

A proper spec 500bhp car will typically cost £50k.