Heavy clutch
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Wilder

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Monday 10th November 2008
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I wonder if any of you guys can offer advice .
I have a GT3RS Sachs paddle clutch (single plate) which is very good, but also very heavy.
The box is a G50/20 with GT2 ratios.
I need a lighter clutch for someone who is going to do some stunt driving in the car (doughnuts J turns etc), and I dont want them to struggle with a heavy clutch.
I was told the factory master cylinder is 3/4", and that if it will fit in the GTR, a 5/8" one may do the trick.
Im open to any suggestions as to how I can make the clutch lighter.
The pressure plate is a 996 turbo unit.
The cars around 650 bhp, at 7300rpm, but its going to be limited indoors to around 6500rpm.
TX.

Edited by Wilder on Monday 10th November 14:56

pilbeam_mp62

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Wilder

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Well spotted & thanks. Thats just the sort on info I was looking for.

LuckyP

6,243 posts

254 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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I wonder what J-Turning a mid engined car is like?

Wilder

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Works pretty good on a Gallardo...

Steve_D

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287 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Changing the master cylinder will reduce the effort but will also reduce the throw so you will have to try it to check that the clutch still disengages fully.

Steve

Wilder

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Steve_D said:
Changing the master cylinder will reduce the effort but will also reduce the throw so you will have to try it to check that the clutch still disengages fully.

Steve
Thanks Steve, There was a question in the other thread about whether the 5/8" cylinder would fit, do you have knowledge on this?
Tx

Edited by Wilder on Monday 10th November 18:43

Chad speed

441 posts

226 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Steve_D said:
Changing the master cylinder will reduce the effort but will also reduce the throw so you will have to try it to check that the clutch still disengages fully.

Steve
A small point, this mod will reduce the effort but increase the throw. So you need to make sure you have enough pedal movement - or a long enough left leg!

LuckyP

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254 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Wilder said:
Works pretty good on a Gallardo...
[cough] 4WD [cough] wink

suntiger1965

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231 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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LuckyP said:
Wilder said:
Works pretty good on a Gallardo...
[cough] 4WD [cough] wink
yes then a 4k bill for a burnt clutch...laugh

Dom

Wilder

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Indeed......

CanAm Dave

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253 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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Chad speed said:
Steve_D said:
Changing the master cylinder will reduce the effort but will also reduce the throw so you will have to try it to check that the clutch still disengages fully.

Steve
A small point, this mod will reduce the effort but increase the throw. So you need to make sure you have enough pedal movement - or a long enough left leg!
This is correct as I have fitted the 5/8" master cylinder and I had to limit the movement in order not to damage the clutch. I don't use the standard Ultima clutch. I use the triple plate setup from GD. So you may also need to fit a backstop behind the clutch pedal if you take this route.

Regards Dave

Wilder

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Monday 10th November 2008
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Dave, did you have any issues with clearance using the 5/8" unit?
JK

Chewy

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284 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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If it’s just the professional driver your worried about why go to all this trouble with no guarantee of a successful outcome.
As a ‘professional’ if he wasn’t strong enough to operate the clutch I wouldn’t be letting him drive my car.
Are you fitting ‘power steering’ for him as well?
getmecoat

LuckyP

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Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Is it the same proffesional driver you had at Fighting Torque? rolleyeswink

suntiger1965

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Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Chewy said:
If it’s just the professional driver your worried about why go to all this trouble with no guarantee of a successful outcome.
As a ‘professional’ if he wasn’t strong enough to operate the clutch I wouldn’t be letting him drive my car.
Are you fitting ‘power steering’ for him as well?
getmecoat
and giving him a nice cushion!!!!!!!!!!laugh

dom

Wilder

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Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Chewy said:
If it’s just the professional driver your worried about why go to all this trouble with no guarantee of a successful outcome.
As a ‘professional’ if he wasn’t strong enough to operate the clutch I wouldn’t be letting him drive my car.
Are you fitting ‘power steering’ for him as well?
getmecoat
If its a simple change of cylinder, then thats fine. The clutch is quite heavy in traffic, so if its an easy fix then fine. If not then bugger it..
Now we actually have time to set things up properly concerning the car I may as well get the jobs done all together.
As to the driver...lets wait and see. wink

Edited by Wilder on Tuesday 11th November 12:40

GTRMikie

874 posts

277 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Wilder said:
If its a simple change of cylinder, then thats fine. The clutch is quite heavy in traffic, so if its an easy fix then fine. If not then bugger it..
Just changing to a smaller master cylinder will give you a lighter clutch pedal, but with a longer pedal travel to get the clutch to disengage fully. There is no risk of damaging the clutch, unless it doesn't disengage fully, so adjust the pedal travel accordingly.

robm3

4,930 posts

256 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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I have a servo on mine, clutch is light as a feather smile

martinlaw

283 posts

251 months

Wednesday 12th November 2008
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Robin,

Did you use a standard brake servo?

i have 2 spare one's as was wondering if this is the route to go down to reduce the 'weight' of the clutch pedal?

Cheers,
Martin.