Engine position
Discussion
Today I put the engine into place so that I could make up some of the pipework and wiring.
The build manual says to set it on it's mounts and put a 5mm spacer between the bottom of the adaptor plate and the chassis cross member.
In my case:
1. The adaptor sits way behind the chassis cross member.
2. The sump extends 65mm behind the front edge of the chassis cross member. The engine sump is currently sitting on the cross member.
3. The bottom of the adaptor plate is 55mm higher than the sump.
Is my installation wrong or is the book wrong?
Steve
The build manual says to set it on it's mounts and put a 5mm spacer between the bottom of the adaptor plate and the chassis cross member.
In my case:
1. The adaptor sits way behind the chassis cross member.
2. The sump extends 65mm behind the front edge of the chassis cross member. The engine sump is currently sitting on the cross member.
3. The bottom of the adaptor plate is 55mm higher than the sump.
Is my installation wrong or is the book wrong?
Steve
I think that the book needs an update, however, my installation included the engine mount adapters that move the engine forward 1". Give the guys at the factory a call, they are always a great help.
I really didn't like the oil pan hanging out of the bottom of the car and I had other reasons that forced me to get a custom oil pan. When I had Canton redesign the pan I requested that it be 1" more shallow. It really fits much better in the car.
ken
>> Edited by k wright on Sunday 14th December 20:50
I really didn't like the oil pan hanging out of the bottom of the car and I had other reasons that forced me to get a custom oil pan. When I had Canton redesign the pan I requested that it be 1" more shallow. It really fits much better in the car.
ken
>> Edited by k wright on Sunday 14th December 20:50
The rear edge of the sump was in line with the rear edge of the chassis cross memeber on my car. This was with the engine mounted with the std mounts with no spacer brackets or extra washers (don't seem to need them for my gearbox). The clearance between the sump and cross memeber is about 4mm when installed. I put a bit of neoprene rubber sheet between the two when installing to space them apart.
This was with a 7 1/2" canton sump on an American Speed engine and a G50/03 gearbox. Different engine/gearbox/sump combinations have slightly different issues and potential clearance problems from what I understand. You can use washers under the motor mounts on the block to space things up if it is too tight with your gearbox on (BobM had to do this I think).
Double check with Ultima. There are a lot of permutations of bits.
This was with a 7 1/2" canton sump on an American Speed engine and a G50/03 gearbox. Different engine/gearbox/sump combinations have slightly different issues and potential clearance problems from what I understand. You can use washers under the motor mounts on the block to space things up if it is too tight with your gearbox on (BobM had to do this I think).
Double check with Ultima. There are a lot of permutations of bits.
Posted on behalf of bigmac:-
My stock sump sits above the crossmember. It looks like about 5mm between the sump and crossmember. Maybe the factory had a typo. Also, your engine will definitely raise up in the rear some when you install the gearbox.
Cheers!
-Mack
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My stock sump sits above the crossmember. It looks like about 5mm between the sump and crossmember. Maybe the factory had a typo. Also, your engine will definitely raise up in the rear some when you install the gearbox.
Cheers!
-Mack
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Steve_D said:The book. I used a piece of wood as a spacer on the cross member as per the manual and couldn't get the gearbox on the engine. Even without the packing I found the sump was still sitting on the cross member with the gearbox in place.
The build manual says to set it on it's mounts and put a 5mm spacer between the bottom of the adaptor plate and the chassis cross member.
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Is my installation wrong or is the book wrong?
After tearing my hair out over the weekend I spoke to the factory who said they usually use packing washers under the upper two bolts on the engine mountings and a 3mm rubber strip on top of the cross member. With the washers on the engine mounts I've got around 5mm clearance between sump and cross member.
Here's the thread in this forum
And here's the relevant bit on my site - October 4th.
GTRClive said:
3. The bottom of the adaptor plate is 55mm higher than the sump.
Steve
How deep is your sump from the block, no more than 7.5" I hope. 55mm sounds alittle to much, I'm sure mine's alot less than that. I'll have to check.
I'll check the sump tonight, on IOW today.
Steve
Afraid so Steve. This lesson cost me 3 oilpans. 7.25"-7.5" is the max. You can do one of several things at this point. Buy another pan. If you get the Canton 7.5" pan then you'll still need a little spacer. Stock pan has no problems, but you might want to add a crank scraper and windage tray. You can have a relief welded into your current pan to clear that cross member. Another thought is to obtain some 1/2" thick alumimum plate and make two spacers that mount in-between your motor mount and block. This would raise your CofG slightly which may or may not be that big of a deal to you. Personally, I went with a stock 6.5 qt pan, windage tray, crank scraper, and accusump.
Cheers!
-Mack
Cheers!
-Mack
At least I am not the only one who had oilpan woes - I got it right the second time. Eventually used a Canton 7" deep road race pan (check their website) which fitted OK in my car with G50/03 box, no motor mount spacers required. Similar shape to 7 1/2" but wings extend a bit further forward. If you have your engine set forward with the special engine mounting plates possibly could interfere with diagonal chassis x members but plenty clearance in my installation.
steve_D said:
Anyone know who stocks Canton sumps here in the UK?
Anyone want to buy a lighly oiled Milodon sump.
Steve
I ended up getting one imported by Ultimate Spares America, not very quick however. Or you could buy yourself from US supplier (or direct from Canton) and get these guys www.moving-parts.com/ to import. I doubt if such an item would be stocked in UK but worth phoning around.
Also try e-bay (I sold my 7.5" sump there to UK buyer, no problem and surprising no. of bids). You should be able to shift your Milodon pan on e-bay.
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