Ultima Electronic Module and wiring loom
Discussion
Hi All
I have dropped a few teasers over a few posts about some bits that I am working on for my Ultima, and to offer to others. Not specifically for Ultima's, but self build and race cars in general.
I have had so many emails etc that I thought that I would start a specific thread to discuss.
And discuss I will....(somebody shut me up please!)
I am doing this project in my own time using the resources that I have at work (I own a little race electronics company) and as such it will take some time to complete, if ever!
So I am developing a range of modules each interconnected by CAN.
Don't be scarred off by CAN, it stands for Controller Area Network, and was specifically designed for automotive use. The actual bits and bytes of the CAN protocol are quite technical, but you will never have to be involved at that level.
The beauty of CAN is that you can use a five wire cable to go from module to module, and you can add or remove modules at any time. This, in theory, reduces the entire loom to five wires. Great!
The five wires:
1. Permanent 12v, high current cable
2. 12v switched power low current cable
3. CAN+
4. CAN-
5. Ground
The modules:
1. 8 Channel Electronic Fuse with programmable intelligence (8 x up to 20 Amps - each programmable for in rush current, operating current, 'fuse' current, auto reset or manual reset, open circuit detect, short circuit detect, flasher control etc etc)
2. Low Current 32 channel IO for the dash area. This is used simply to detect state of switches and other user inputs as well as programmable outputs for things such as shift lights, a/c fan controller etc etc. Includes a LOT more. more details later...
3. Fuzzy Fan Controller - keeping the Ultima at the correct temperature.
4. Main Power Distribution - electronically protects the battery against short circuit in case of an accident etc, also distributes power to the various modules and acts as a CAN hub. includes 128bit SSL immobiliser and a few inputs for things close by like brake switches.
5. Aux Controller: 4 High Current Channels like item 1 and 4 inputs. Fully programmable. Use for any function anywhere, example fuel level controller and reporting, engine bay temperature controller, air con controller etc etc.
6. Various CAN sensors for simple integration, such as speed sensors, liquid temp sensors, air temp sensors pressure sensors, G force sensors etc etc, just plug and play
7. 8 Input hub: analog, bridge, digital, PWM inputs for encoding onto the CAN bus, for use by things like the dash.
8. 8 Output hub: programamble output from data on the BUS, for example to present formatted data to an after market gauge, dash, speedo etc etc.
... and then a means of setting up all of this... this will be available in two guises, PC software and a CAN/USB interface and one of our dashes. The advantage of the Dash is that you can view the information you want to.
So, you can use any of these by itself or in conjunction with existing looms. the key is simplicity.
I would very much like input from all of you as I go though each module in turn. In return I will make these module available to play with or to buy at a very low cost...(my cost).
Here goes....
let me know your thoughts....
Gareth
I have dropped a few teasers over a few posts about some bits that I am working on for my Ultima, and to offer to others. Not specifically for Ultima's, but self build and race cars in general.
I have had so many emails etc that I thought that I would start a specific thread to discuss.
And discuss I will....(somebody shut me up please!)
I am doing this project in my own time using the resources that I have at work (I own a little race electronics company) and as such it will take some time to complete, if ever!
So I am developing a range of modules each interconnected by CAN.
Don't be scarred off by CAN, it stands for Controller Area Network, and was specifically designed for automotive use. The actual bits and bytes of the CAN protocol are quite technical, but you will never have to be involved at that level.
The beauty of CAN is that you can use a five wire cable to go from module to module, and you can add or remove modules at any time. This, in theory, reduces the entire loom to five wires. Great!
The five wires:
1. Permanent 12v, high current cable
2. 12v switched power low current cable
3. CAN+
4. CAN-
5. Ground
The modules:
1. 8 Channel Electronic Fuse with programmable intelligence (8 x up to 20 Amps - each programmable for in rush current, operating current, 'fuse' current, auto reset or manual reset, open circuit detect, short circuit detect, flasher control etc etc)
2. Low Current 32 channel IO for the dash area. This is used simply to detect state of switches and other user inputs as well as programmable outputs for things such as shift lights, a/c fan controller etc etc. Includes a LOT more. more details later...
3. Fuzzy Fan Controller - keeping the Ultima at the correct temperature.
4. Main Power Distribution - electronically protects the battery against short circuit in case of an accident etc, also distributes power to the various modules and acts as a CAN hub. includes 128bit SSL immobiliser and a few inputs for things close by like brake switches.
5. Aux Controller: 4 High Current Channels like item 1 and 4 inputs. Fully programmable. Use for any function anywhere, example fuel level controller and reporting, engine bay temperature controller, air con controller etc etc.
6. Various CAN sensors for simple integration, such as speed sensors, liquid temp sensors, air temp sensors pressure sensors, G force sensors etc etc, just plug and play
7. 8 Input hub: analog, bridge, digital, PWM inputs for encoding onto the CAN bus, for use by things like the dash.
8. 8 Output hub: programamble output from data on the BUS, for example to present formatted data to an after market gauge, dash, speedo etc etc.
... and then a means of setting up all of this... this will be available in two guises, PC software and a CAN/USB interface and one of our dashes. The advantage of the Dash is that you can view the information you want to.
So, you can use any of these by itself or in conjunction with existing looms. the key is simplicity.
I would very much like input from all of you as I go though each module in turn. In return I will make these module available to play with or to buy at a very low cost...(my cost).
Here goes....
let me know your thoughts....
Gareth
Hi Gareth,
My electrical/electronics background is limited, but I would be happy to experiment a little. We're using this equipment on a different car. I've seen the display and it's excellent. The car it's going into is not complete, so nothing to report on functionality yet. Hope to enter the 25-Hours of Thunderhill, if it's done in time. There's a CAN interface, as well.
My electrical/electronics background is limited, but I would be happy to experiment a little. We're using this equipment on a different car. I've seen the display and it's excellent. The car it's going into is not complete, so nothing to report on functionality yet. Hope to enter the 25-Hours of Thunderhill, if it's done in time. There's a CAN interface, as well.
Gareth; FYI, Can bus is also used on the Boeing 787 and the new Airebus 380. I am not a techno geek, but I consult for a German compay that uses Can bus in its digital intercom system for helicopters. If you have the ability to show a wiring diagram of how this system would work, I think some of the builders might get a feel for what this technolgy could do for them. As an example in a helicopter with 8 radios with 5 intercom stations, an analog intercom wiring system would require 320 wires. with can bus this can be accomplished with a total of 8 wires. The weight savings in a medium size helicopter would be upwards of 50 lbs. lee
Hi Lee
LOL, yes the can protocol and physical layer is great. Avionics have their own media, however CAN is used a lot for non flight critical systems. It is extremely robust, noise and fault tolerant and high speed. I have been using CAN for many years now, and it is the media of choice in automotive electronics.
I am waiting until I have some bits to demo before I shout about it from the tree tops. Soon I will be releasing PC software that will keep growing to include all of the various modules as they become available. It really is simple to use....
Gareth
LOL, yes the can protocol and physical layer is great. Avionics have their own media, however CAN is used a lot for non flight critical systems. It is extremely robust, noise and fault tolerant and high speed. I have been using CAN for many years now, and it is the media of choice in automotive electronics.
I am waiting until I have some bits to demo before I shout about it from the tree tops. Soon I will be releasing PC software that will keep growing to include all of the various modules as they become available. It really is simple to use....
Gareth
Oversimplified - Not including personnel or maintenance:
C'mon Gareth! Cat's out of the bag, no? We need to save some money operating our Ultimas!
- (cost per flight hour)/(wet weight of helo)=(cost per pound per hour)
- (cost per pound per hour)*(lifetime flight hours)*50 = potential savings in harness weight reduction.
C'mon Gareth! Cat's out of the bag, no? We need to save some money operating our Ultimas!
Bulder: I accept your $600 per hour direct cost on a 6000 lb helo. BUT it doesn't matter what its gross weight is, thats got nothing to do with the productivity of the helo. After fuel and a pilot are added a 6000lb gross weight helo might lift 2000 lbs that means each pound costs 30 cents per hour to carry. A 50lb weight savings means that you can carry $15.00 dollars more goods per hour. Usefull life 15,000 hours cost savings on a 50lb reduction in empty weight over the 15,000 hour lifespan....$225,000
Now let me tell you about the drop in maintenance man hours over the life of the aircraft because the digital system has a full time HUMS (HEALTH USAGE MONITORING SYSTEM) that tracks every error that occurs in this system and presents it to the technicain in plain text when he connects a lap top to the maintenance output. This versus some dumb sh.t pilot like me, landing and complaining that the intercom has static on it when I do X. Only problem is that the aircarft has developed a ground problem in the wiring which will not repeat the system unless the aircraft is in flight. Now your tech has a BIG problem.
I bring this up only to remind all of us that when EFI first appeared in the after market there were a lot of folks who called B.S. give me a carb that I understand. what good is all this STUFF anyway. Today, I for one would not think of building a GTR without a MOTEC on it or something like MOTEC with the ability to data log and diagnois a problem. Gerath is just a bit ahead of the rest of us on the learning curve for this technology
Now let me tell you about the drop in maintenance man hours over the life of the aircraft because the digital system has a full time HUMS (HEALTH USAGE MONITORING SYSTEM) that tracks every error that occurs in this system and presents it to the technicain in plain text when he connects a lap top to the maintenance output. This versus some dumb sh.t pilot like me, landing and complaining that the intercom has static on it when I do X. Only problem is that the aircarft has developed a ground problem in the wiring which will not repeat the system unless the aircraft is in flight. Now your tech has a BIG problem.
I bring this up only to remind all of us that when EFI first appeared in the after market there were a lot of folks who called B.S. give me a carb that I understand. what good is all this STUFF anyway. Today, I for one would not think of building a GTR without a MOTEC on it or something like MOTEC with the ability to data log and diagnois a problem. Gerath is just a bit ahead of the rest of us on the learning curve for this technology
Hi
Erm, Builder, I am sorry, I do not really understand where you going with your post. Sorry! What cat and what bag?
I have worked a little on mil avionic system design (guided missile algorithms), and there are all sorts of ways of doing things. The primary reason that there is still a mass of wires in current aircraft is that it is a proven technology, and the aircraft industry take a long time to adapt to new technologies for good reason (remember the Paris airshow disaster where the new 'fly by wire' system could not understand a low speed low altitude fly by and went into landing configuration). They will typically adopt new technologies in non critical systems for everyone to get used to it and then prove it over time. .... unless we are talking new cutting edge fighter aircraft with huge budgets and long time to release. CAN is an automotive protocol, by design.
Anyway, back to the earth (or earth bound vehicles)....I have had a genuinely polite email saying that my posts are bordering on being commercial. Which I guess is fair. Even though I do not make any products for the car world, and this project was out of my normal development scope, I do understand that it may one day be commercial. I was hoping to make a range of products for the Ultima community tailored and directed by the Ultima community and finally at no profit for people getting involved by someone that is doing it purely for passion for car. I was also hoping that a 'build thread' of the electronics would give people insight into what is involved in product development and its suitability for certain things as well as its limitations.
So, mod, I therefore humbly request that you remove this thread.
Sadly,
Gareth
P.S. I will still continue development for my own car, and I am more than happy to help anyone that has any questions about anything to do with electronics. I most certainly am not an expert in every area, but have had a lot of experience in quite a few areas., so fire away :-)
Erm, Builder, I am sorry, I do not really understand where you going with your post. Sorry! What cat and what bag?
I have worked a little on mil avionic system design (guided missile algorithms), and there are all sorts of ways of doing things. The primary reason that there is still a mass of wires in current aircraft is that it is a proven technology, and the aircraft industry take a long time to adapt to new technologies for good reason (remember the Paris airshow disaster where the new 'fly by wire' system could not understand a low speed low altitude fly by and went into landing configuration). They will typically adopt new technologies in non critical systems for everyone to get used to it and then prove it over time. .... unless we are talking new cutting edge fighter aircraft with huge budgets and long time to release. CAN is an automotive protocol, by design.
Anyway, back to the earth (or earth bound vehicles)....I have had a genuinely polite email saying that my posts are bordering on being commercial. Which I guess is fair. Even though I do not make any products for the car world, and this project was out of my normal development scope, I do understand that it may one day be commercial. I was hoping to make a range of products for the Ultima community tailored and directed by the Ultima community and finally at no profit for people getting involved by someone that is doing it purely for passion for car. I was also hoping that a 'build thread' of the electronics would give people insight into what is involved in product development and its suitability for certain things as well as its limitations.
So, mod, I therefore humbly request that you remove this thread.
Sadly,
Gareth
P.S. I will still continue development for my own car, and I am more than happy to help anyone that has any questions about anything to do with electronics. I most certainly am not an expert in every area, but have had a lot of experience in quite a few areas., so fire away :-)
No need to remove your post, as it cannot be commercial because you will never make any money out of it, that is guaranteed.
You can count your potential sales to Ultima builder by year with your two hands and I am pretty sure that is an optimistic figure.
So pls go ahead and do your thing, I have respect for guys who contribute their efforts to this community.
That is one reason why we are all here aren't we ?
You can count your potential sales to Ultima builder by year with your two hands and I am pretty sure that is an optimistic figure.
So pls go ahead and do your thing, I have respect for guys who contribute their efforts to this community.
That is one reason why we are all here aren't we ?
Gareth, I think your post is very interesting so would be a shame to see it locked. Plenty of other people on here fly close to the wind peddling parts and services and I don't see too many people (except a Mod or two) complaining and in fact most of us enjoy it -- improved wiper anyone???
Perhaps it would be good if you contact the Factory, it wouldn't be that hard to 'officially' offer the Can Bus system as an option and the flexibility of it sounds excellent. Besides, it would be another unique (selling) feature the Ultima has - Hint to The Factory.
The comment about people not liking EFI are probably a little before my time but I have noticed plenty of Builders talking about more integrated electronics e.g. ipads and the like. Plus the beauty of these cars is how they have evolved, 300hp on 15inch wheels used to be considered acceptable remember, so if the power and chassis are improving why not the Electrical System??
Keep us all posted on your developments, as usual I read with interest and admiration at people's skill and knowledge.
Robin.
Perhaps it would be good if you contact the Factory, it wouldn't be that hard to 'officially' offer the Can Bus system as an option and the flexibility of it sounds excellent. Besides, it would be another unique (selling) feature the Ultima has - Hint to The Factory.
The comment about people not liking EFI are probably a little before my time but I have noticed plenty of Builders talking about more integrated electronics e.g. ipads and the like. Plus the beauty of these cars is how they have evolved, 300hp on 15inch wheels used to be considered acceptable remember, so if the power and chassis are improving why not the Electrical System??
Keep us all posted on your developments, as usual I read with interest and admiration at people's skill and knowledge.
Robin.
Good clarification, Lee. Point taken. A small weight savings in aviation has a significant impact to value and performance. Same is true for other vehicles, albeit perhaps less, but maybe no less important to the user.
Gareth, my post was intended to spur you on to development for the GTR...nothing more. What you are working on is exciting to me (and others no doubt), and I want to see what you come up with...not only for my all-but-done GTR... Since we're integrating a dash/data/video system that is "CAN capable" in a race car aimed at winning a specific 25-hour endurance race on 4 December, there may be some direct benefit (yet untold) AND weight savings that we'd consider incorporating. Knowledge and power-to-weight are two of the currencies of victory!
By its very nature, this forum is for sharing information beneficial to the group it serves. In this case, it's for Ultima owners, builders, and those interested...of which you are one. I would suggest that, unless you post that you are selling stuff through your company, "productized" on your website (for profit), you shouldn't have any troubles under PistonHeads rules.
Many folks have made stuff for the group and sold it through posts to the Ultima board. Probably hundreds have purchased goods through this board (myself included, multiple times). In virtually every case, the maker asked if the group would be interested (to which, there was a response, and usually a list of folks is created that would like to participate). And there are others, with automotive-specific businesses, that contribute to this forum on a regular basis. Some don't own an Ultima, but add value because of their experience or line of business.
At this point, any message you've received should only contain a preemptive caution against such commercialization. I don't want to speak out of turn, but, unless the mod specifically asks you to cease, please continue. When you have a specific item to offer, Gareth, I will be the first on your list of interested folks.
Gareth, my post was intended to spur you on to development for the GTR...nothing more. What you are working on is exciting to me (and others no doubt), and I want to see what you come up with...not only for my all-but-done GTR... Since we're integrating a dash/data/video system that is "CAN capable" in a race car aimed at winning a specific 25-hour endurance race on 4 December, there may be some direct benefit (yet untold) AND weight savings that we'd consider incorporating. Knowledge and power-to-weight are two of the currencies of victory!
By its very nature, this forum is for sharing information beneficial to the group it serves. In this case, it's for Ultima owners, builders, and those interested...of which you are one. I would suggest that, unless you post that you are selling stuff through your company, "productized" on your website (for profit), you shouldn't have any troubles under PistonHeads rules.
Many folks have made stuff for the group and sold it through posts to the Ultima board. Probably hundreds have purchased goods through this board (myself included, multiple times). In virtually every case, the maker asked if the group would be interested (to which, there was a response, and usually a list of folks is created that would like to participate). And there are others, with automotive-specific businesses, that contribute to this forum on a regular basis. Some don't own an Ultima, but add value because of their experience or line of business.
At this point, any message you've received should only contain a preemptive caution against such commercialization. I don't want to speak out of turn, but, unless the mod specifically asks you to cease, please continue. When you have a specific item to offer, Gareth, I will be the first on your list of interested folks.
Hi
Thank you for the replies.
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. So I will complete module 1 (already in fifth prototype) and send to some interested parties on here and take it from there.
As this is being done as a 'off the books' project, things can take a while.
So module 1 is the 'auto fuse', aka BCM, aka 'electronic fuse'.
It can be used in two ways.
1. To replace the existing fuses /relays
2. As part of a more integrated system where each major function on the car has its own channel, in which case you would use a few.
example: One for the Front lights, One for back lights, one for engine bay and one for the cockpit. (which is how I will be using it). This give you control and reporting on everything.
Each channel is capable of 20A continuous and up to 50A inrush. (each channel is actually capable of over 100A, but is limited by heat dissipation and maximum physical wire size in the connector), and each channel is independently controllable. Current and Power will be amongst the parameters that you can get it to report, and you can set the trip threshold on each channel. As well as being able to allow auto reset and manual reset independently for each channel.
I will post in a few days the protocol setup for those that are interested.
It has one MAIN connector which is 16 way. One each for each channel, and then four for battery power in, and four for ground.
It also has two other connectors (Deutsch Autosport 5 way) one for CAN in and one for CAN out. These are five way and the pinout is described above in the first post.
In a nutshell, rather than having a fuse box with lots and lots of wires going to all different places on the car, simply put one of these near to something that needs power and directly control it intelligently. i.e. just connect it up and later you can apply logic, like turn on channel 1 when the ignition is turned on, or turn on channel 1 when the oil pressure had been reached, or turn on for 500ms and then off for 500ms continuously whilst the indicator switch is on, or when the brake is pressed, flash on and off the brake lights twice at 100ms and then keep on continuously, or if the brake pressure is higher than X but less then Y then light up the brake lights, if the brake pressure is higher then Y then rapidly flash the brake lights and if the brake is pressure is above Z then also rapidly flash all indicator lights out of phase with the brake lights (emergency stop) or whatever you wish.
Over kill? yes! but I am making a point here.... :-)
Gareth
Thank you for the replies.
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. So I will complete module 1 (already in fifth prototype) and send to some interested parties on here and take it from there.
As this is being done as a 'off the books' project, things can take a while.
So module 1 is the 'auto fuse', aka BCM, aka 'electronic fuse'.
It can be used in two ways.
1. To replace the existing fuses /relays
2. As part of a more integrated system where each major function on the car has its own channel, in which case you would use a few.
example: One for the Front lights, One for back lights, one for engine bay and one for the cockpit. (which is how I will be using it). This give you control and reporting on everything.
Each channel is capable of 20A continuous and up to 50A inrush. (each channel is actually capable of over 100A, but is limited by heat dissipation and maximum physical wire size in the connector), and each channel is independently controllable. Current and Power will be amongst the parameters that you can get it to report, and you can set the trip threshold on each channel. As well as being able to allow auto reset and manual reset independently for each channel.
I will post in a few days the protocol setup for those that are interested.
It has one MAIN connector which is 16 way. One each for each channel, and then four for battery power in, and four for ground.
It also has two other connectors (Deutsch Autosport 5 way) one for CAN in and one for CAN out. These are five way and the pinout is described above in the first post.
In a nutshell, rather than having a fuse box with lots and lots of wires going to all different places on the car, simply put one of these near to something that needs power and directly control it intelligently. i.e. just connect it up and later you can apply logic, like turn on channel 1 when the ignition is turned on, or turn on channel 1 when the oil pressure had been reached, or turn on for 500ms and then off for 500ms continuously whilst the indicator switch is on, or when the brake is pressed, flash on and off the brake lights twice at 100ms and then keep on continuously, or if the brake pressure is higher than X but less then Y then light up the brake lights, if the brake pressure is higher then Y then rapidly flash the brake lights and if the brake is pressure is above Z then also rapidly flash all indicator lights out of phase with the brake lights (emergency stop) or whatever you wish.
Over kill? yes! but I am making a point here.... :-)
Gareth
Gareth -
Very interested to see where this goes. Was planning on doing something similar on my own for my build, so would be happy to see you do something that I can just cheat off of. I am fairly competent with wiring and theory, and do some hobby microcontroller programming. I am currently working on developing some aviation electronics components as well. If there is anything I can do to contribute, please let me know. Would be happy to help out if I can.
-Sky
Very interested to see where this goes. Was planning on doing something similar on my own for my build, so would be happy to see you do something that I can just cheat off of. I am fairly competent with wiring and theory, and do some hobby microcontroller programming. I am currently working on developing some aviation electronics components as well. If there is anything I can do to contribute, please let me know. Would be happy to help out if I can.
-Sky
i am using Can bus to dash and have recently ditched the high volume produced GM LS wiring loom to a race/aircraft spec engine wiring loom linked to a GEMS X25 ecu
A becomes B in the engine bay. (these are off the shelf wiring looms by the king of motorsport wiring for £600 plus vat with your choice of ecu connections fitted)
A becomes B in the engine bay. (these are off the shelf wiring looms by the king of motorsport wiring for £600 plus vat with your choice of ecu connections fitted)
Nice Job!
I too have one of the GM looms, but only to take a pattern from, because getting a full wiring diagram seems to be difficult. (wiring diagram and connector spec)
I will not be offering looms. (unless someone is really stuck), rather the modules, which will all but eliminate a structured loom anyway.
Oh, good luck dabbling with micro's, that is how I started when the first true micros appeared on the market many, many years ago.
I forgot to mention that I am also working one some specialist modules:
FAN Controller
WINDSCREEN Wiper COntroller (forget modified ww motor assebmlies, just use electronics to this for you) i.e. Measure current to determine the 'cam' and then time for a period and then reverse until 'cam' or something, will go deeper into this later.
STEERING WHeel controller. I do not like the idea of a wire for the horn going through contacts to be able to run turn the wheel, and I would like some extra buttons on my steering wheel, and I want my steering wheel removable, so I am also making a remote transmitter / receiver to allow for virtually any combination of switches, all remote.
Anyways, one thing at a time, the power distribution module... I am just waiting for the next prototype pcb to arrive from China.... code already written and part tested.
Gareth
I too have one of the GM looms, but only to take a pattern from, because getting a full wiring diagram seems to be difficult. (wiring diagram and connector spec)
I will not be offering looms. (unless someone is really stuck), rather the modules, which will all but eliminate a structured loom anyway.
Oh, good luck dabbling with micro's, that is how I started when the first true micros appeared on the market many, many years ago.
I forgot to mention that I am also working one some specialist modules:
FAN Controller
WINDSCREEN Wiper COntroller (forget modified ww motor assebmlies, just use electronics to this for you) i.e. Measure current to determine the 'cam' and then time for a period and then reverse until 'cam' or something, will go deeper into this later.
STEERING WHeel controller. I do not like the idea of a wire for the horn going through contacts to be able to run turn the wheel, and I would like some extra buttons on my steering wheel, and I want my steering wheel removable, so I am also making a remote transmitter / receiver to allow for virtually any combination of switches, all remote.
Anyways, one thing at a time, the power distribution module... I am just waiting for the next prototype pcb to arrive from China.... code already written and part tested.
Gareth
robm3 said:
Gareth, I think your post is very interesting so would be a shame to see it locked. Plenty of other people on here fly close to the wind peddling parts and services and I don't see too many people (except a Mod or two) complaining and in fact most of us enjoy it -- improved wiper anyone???
Robin - for info, here's the rule of thumb for threads of this nature:http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
It's worth saying that the Ultima forum moderation is probably the most lenient in this regard!!
Stig
"but as a general rule, cars or parts ads in the forums will always get binned."
So does this include our 'reviered' Factory?
..not that I am knit-picking of course...Oh No!..not me! nooooo...not at all - at all - at all!
..Do I have sommat against authority?
whatever gave you that idea? 
Hope you accept that all this is a tiny well-meant p-take and you take in good spirit in which it was meant!
I for one applaud your work - which you do not have to do(unpaid) - excepting for a teensy-weensy ego boost from time to time!
All power to you! Shame you don't have the Ult anymore! any plans for a revisit? Your posts were my main inspiration!
Cheers
Keef!
"but as a general rule, cars or parts ads in the forums will always get binned."
So does this include our 'reviered' Factory?
..not that I am knit-picking of course...Oh No!..not me! nooooo...not at all - at all - at all!
..Do I have sommat against authority?
whatever gave you that idea? Hope you accept that all this is a tiny well-meant p-take and you take in good spirit in which it was meant!
I for one applaud your work - which you do not have to do(unpaid) - excepting for a teensy-weensy ego boost from time to time!
All power to you! Shame you don't have the Ult anymore! any plans for a revisit? Your posts were my main inspiration!Cheers
Keef!
Thanks, Gareth. Glad to see you're moving forward.
For those interested in the basics of CAN, this PDF primer from Dearborn Group is a high-level overview with some detail.
craig7l said:
...A becomes B in the engine bay. (these are off the shelf wiring looms by the king of motorsport wiring...
Hi, Craig. When you say, "A becomes B in the engine bay", are you referring to a gateway of sorts? Also, is this the company for your loom?For those interested in the basics of CAN, this PDF primer from Dearborn Group is a high-level overview with some detail.
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