4k Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) 50" TV for £900!!! Yes It's True.
4k Ultra HD (3840 x 2160) 50" TV for £900!!! Yes It's True.
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im

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34,302 posts

247 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Yep, you heard right. That's possibly gonna be a game changer yes

http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2013/04/seiki-50-inch-4k-...

The Chinese are coming!


TotalControl

8,307 posts

228 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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But how long will it last and what will build quality be like? Excellent price if it doesn't fall apart.

Oakey

27,984 posts

246 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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a game changer? Unlikely, bandwidth of 4k streams is still the major issue.

im

Original Poster:

34,302 posts

247 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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What...the price isn't a game-changer?

Come on...get real chap.

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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Oakey said:
a game changer? Unlikely, bandwidth of 4k streams is still the major issue.
8mps for a 1080p stream, so around 32mbps for a 4k stream. I have 65mbps, and that's the "normal" internet from my provider. Bring it on. biggrin

Mr E

23,087 posts

289 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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davepoth said:
8mps for a 1080p stream, so around 32mbps for a 4k stream. I have 65mbps, and that's the "normal" internet from my provider. Bring it on. biggrin
I find my bandwidth isn't the issue. It's the server end that suffers...

0000

13,966 posts

221 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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I've been looking at this a little. Isn't it just about the first to break about $/£5k?

Useless as a TV for now, but might make a great computer monitor.

durbster

12,121 posts

252 months

Wednesday 17th April 2013
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The next generation of video codecs aims to have double the quality for the same bandwidth, so it shouldn't actually increase bandwidth too much.

The main problem with 4k is the enormous impact it has on production. It immediately sets every bit of video editing equipment back several years, just when we've finally got a grip on HD! I mean, imagine the storage requirements for a raw 4k video file.

How close would you have to be to the telly to notice, I wonder.

probedb

824 posts

249 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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The resolution is irrelevant if the picture is ste.

scorp

8,783 posts

259 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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davepoth said:
8mps for a 1080p stream, so around 32mbps for a 4k stream. I have 65mbps, and that's the "normal" internet from my provider. Bring it on. biggrin
What format is that for 1080p? Blu-ray afaik uses around 30mbps.

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

275 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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scorp said:
What format is that for 1080p? Blu-ray afaik uses around 30mbps.
Uncompressed 4K is around 3.8gbps, or circa 480mpbs.

Streaming a compressed feed from Apple or Netflix et al you'd be looking at around 28gb per hour. Which is a lot.

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

228 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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scorp said:
What format is that for 1080p? Blu-ray afaik uses around 30mbps.
It's just massively compressed. I believe satellite compression is lower still than the 8 Mb/s quoted. 32 Meg for 4K isn't bad, but you're going to struggle to do that and record any other channel simultaneously at current distribution rates.

As said though, new compression formats are improving things, although to my eyes, the HD mpeg2 compression even at 19.5 mB/s (on some kit we use) still has noticeable compression artefacts.

durbster

12,121 posts

252 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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RedLeicester said:
Uncompressed 4K is around 3.8gbps, or circa 480mpbs.

Streaming a compressed feed from Apple or Netflix et al you'd be looking at around 28gb per hour. Which is a lot.
When the 4k streams start they will probably be using the new H265 video format which can apparently compress video to half the file size of H264 with no noticeable loss in quality. Bandwidth requirements will not go up.

RedLeicester

6,869 posts

275 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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durbster said:
When the 4k streams start they will probably be using the new H265 video format which can apparently compress video to half the file size of H264 with no noticeable loss in quality. Bandwidth requirements will not go up.
Splended. 280mbps then. biggrin

Oh and it's closer to 30% than 50.


0000

13,966 posts

221 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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durbster said:
When the 4k streams start they will probably be using the new H265 video format which can apparently compress video to half the file size of H264 with no noticeable loss in quality. Bandwidth requirements will not go up.
They'd have to halve it again to keep the bandwidth the same?

durbster

12,121 posts

252 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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0000 said:
They'd have to halve it again to keep the bandwidth the same?
hehe Oh yeah, good point.

Man maths at work.

Edit: Hang about, 4k is the width unlike 1080 which is height so the resolution on this TV is double HD, not quadruple - 3840 x 2160 - so I think I was right in the first place.
Edit 2: Maths is really not my strong point.

Edited by durbster on Thursday 18th April 12:30

scorp

8,783 posts

259 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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durbster said:
hehe Oh yeah, good point.

Man maths at work.

Edit: Hang about, 4k is the width unlike 1080 which is height so the resolution on this TV is double HD, not quadruple - 3840 x 2160 - so I think I was right in the first place.

Edited by durbster on Thursday 18th April 11:50
3840x2160 is 4x larger than 1920x1080.

Super Slo Mo

5,374 posts

228 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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scorp said:
durbster said:
hehe Oh yeah, good point.

Man maths at work.

Edit: Hang about, 4k is the width unlike 1080 which is height so the resolution on this TV is double HD, not quadruple - 3840 x 2160 - so I think I was right in the first place.

Edited by durbster on Thursday 18th April 11:50
3840x2160 is 4x larger than 1920x1080.
Yes, vertical and horizontal resolution is double, but pixel density, which is the part that effects the bit rate is 4 times that of HD.

scorp

8,783 posts

259 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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probedb said:
The resolution is irrelevant if the picture is ste.
I picked up a no-name Chinese 50in LCD TV for under 500quid in HK a few years back, picture quality is perfect. I don't see a good reason to shell out for top-brand TVs when they are mostly the same.

durbster

12,121 posts

252 months

Thursday 18th April 2013
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scorp said:
3840x2160 is 4x larger than 1920x1080.
boxedin

Of course, I'm a dunce and I should know better. I did exactly the same thing recently when somebody asked me to produce a print thing at 25% of A1, so I simply divided the width by .25.

This is why I work in the digital world and not the physical.biggrin