New TVs - not much choice of sound output
New TVs - not much choice of sound output
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AJI

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241 months

Monday 2nd December 2013
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Noticed on many new TVs that the only option for sound output is either the in-built TV speakers (which are usually garbage) or the 'optical out' port on the rear.

I've spent a few hours looking for a 2.1 sound system that has both optical input and also a headphone jack so that I can listen to the TV without disturbing other members of the family.

It seems the 2.1 systems are mainly for PCs/smart phones/i-pods/mp3 docking stations etc. etc. and 5.1 systems are for TVs.
Now, most of the 2.1 speakers systems don't seem to come with an optical input but they do have the headphone jack.
And the 5.1 speaker systems do come with the optical input but they don't come with the headphone jack.

Any body know an easy way forward on this?
Ideally I don't want loads of speakers dotted around the living room, hence my preference for a 2.1 system, but really do need that headphone jack.
(All for under £70?)


megaphone

11,485 posts

275 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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Have a look at sound bars.

Warw1ckHunt

280 posts

159 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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I know audiophiles (you dirty beasts!) will blanche at this, but I use the 3.5mm headphone socket plugged into a spare set of 2.1 PC speakers I had lying around. If I need to use headphones, I can still plug them into the 3.5mm line out on the volume controller for the speakers.

Much better sound quality than the in-built standard speakers, the cost, £5 for a 3m 3.5mm plug - 3.5mm plug cable.

aussieal

544 posts

185 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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Do the 2.1 systems you're looking at, and your tv, have hdmi?

AJI

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Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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TV has HDMI inputs (not sure about output, or are they two-way signals?), but I've yet to find a 2.1 system that has HDMI input and 3.5mm headphone socket.



Edited by AJI on Tuesday 3rd December 13:41

AJI

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Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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Warw1ckHunt said:
I know audiophiles (you dirty beasts!) will blanche at this, but I use the 3.5mm headphone socket plugged into a spare set of 2.1 PC speakers I had lying around. If I need to use headphones, I can still plug them into the 3.5mm line out on the volume controller for the speakers.

Much better sound quality than the in-built standard speakers, the cost, £5 for a 3m 3.5mm plug - 3.5mm plug cable.
Problem I have is that I only have 'optical out' from the TV and can't find any 2.1 systems with optical input AND 3.5mm headphone socket.

AJI

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Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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I have decided to order one of these things...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/200664552264?limghl...

The converter will just give out L-R Stereo sound, which is fine for headphones and a 2.1 speaker system.



But strange as to why expensive TVs these days do not come with many sound output options like they used to.

megaphone

11,485 posts

275 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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Does you TV have a scart? If so you can get L/R audio from that with an adaptor.

badmono

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151 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2013
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Yep use the scart socket with an adaptor - best solution IMO. Though headphone socket also allows normal stereo output.
Don't know why the normal audio jacks have been omitted on the newer sets though??

varsas

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226 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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AJI said:
But strange as to why expensive TVs these days do not come with many sound output options like they used to.
I'm not sure I agree with this. So, on my (actually very cheap) TV I have:

Optical out
ARC
Headphone jack

So I have analogue and digital out, which is more then any of my other TV's have had.

I know that's not very helpful to you, but you're trying to do something a bit odd. The omission of the headphone jack on your TV is a pain, presumably done for cost reasons. You really should be using the ARC output on the HDMI to get sound out of the TV. If we were to swap the digital outputs for analogue RCA jacks there's no way to ever get surround sound out of the TV. I think it's better this way.

The_Burg

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238 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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AJI said:
I have decided to order one of these things...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/200664552264?limghl...

The converter will just give out L-R Stereo sound, which is fine for headphones and a 2.1 speaker system.



But strange as to why expensive TVs these days do not come with many sound output options like they used to.
This may not be the solution, unless the digital output is variable on the TV. Most aren't. Headphones will be at fixed volume.

PS when setting up make sure you set the TV output to PCM Stereo.

AJI

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Friday 6th December 2013
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Cheers.
I will put a reply on here to say if my purchases work or not.
If not then I will have a look to see if I have that HDMI ARC output on the TV.


conkerman

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159 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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AJI said:
But strange as to why expensive TVs these days do not come with many sound output options like they used to.
Why? when HDMI does it via ARC. COme on its 2013, HDMI has been the standard for years.

AJI

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Friday 6th December 2013
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conkerman said:
Why? when HDMI does it via ARC. COme on its 2013, HDMI has been the standard for years.
Well, not wanting to show my lack of knowledge on HDMI, but I didn't know it could output sound to a 2.1 speaker system just by plugging it in.
When searching for 2.1 speaker systems I didn't notice any with an HDMI input.

Does the ARC output on a TV allow the volume levels to be changed with the TV's remote (similar to how it would with a 3.2mm headphone jack)?


varsas

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226 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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AJI said:
conkerman said:
Why? when HDMI does it via ARC. COme on its 2013, HDMI has been the standard for years.
Well, not wanting to show my lack of knowledge on HDMI, but I didn't know it could output sound to a 2.1 speaker system just by plugging it in.
When searching for 2.1 speaker systems I didn't notice any with an HDMI input.

Does the ARC output on a TV allow the volume levels to be changed with the TV's remote (similar to how it would with a 3.2mm headphone jack)?
Not directly. Apparently some TV's will take the volume control signal and pass it down to whatever is getting the ARC signal which will then turn it's volume up or down. Not seen this in practice!

daveenty

2,382 posts

234 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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AJI said:
Does the ARC output on a TV allow the volume levels to be changed with the TV's remote (similar to how it would with a 3.2mm headphone jack)?
Not an expert myself, but can confirm that the TV remote on mine controls the volume on the amplifier via ARC, either watching the TV directly or any other inputs (Blu-Ray, satellite etc).

JimbobVFR

2,820 posts

168 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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Technically ARC is purely the TV sound being passed to the amp. The control is via HDMI CEC.

AJI

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Monday 9th December 2013
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So this cable would be an easy solution right?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SODIAL-HDMI-RCA-Cable-1-8m...

Simply plugging one end in to the TV's HDMI ARC slot and then the RCA left and right in to the 2.1 speaker inputs.


varsas

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Monday 9th December 2013
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AJI said:
So this cable would be an easy solution right?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SODIAL-HDMI-RCA-Cable-1-8m...

Simply plugging one end in to the TV's HDMI ARC slot and then the RCA left and right in to the 2.1 speaker inputs.
I assume not. I don't see how this cable converts the digital ARC signal to analogue for the RCA plugs. Worth a try for the price and I'd be interested to hear your results.

conkerman

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159 months

Monday 9th December 2013
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You can get a basic 5.1 AV receiver for £100. Volume control, input switching etc.

It will all work properly rather than faffing about with adaptors etc. Leave the amp in Stereo and you are away.

In fact, I don't understand how that cable will work. HDMI sends its Audio signal digitally and would require a DAC.