HD over cat5e/6
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I have just purchased one of these.
http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/Product.aspx?PID=9...
Sky box to TX then into a 10/100 8 way switch and then onto 2 RX's all over cat5 The picture and sound work OK but considering its going to a brand new panny plasma the quality doesn't look quite there to me.
Do these units compress the signal so its not quite as good as a direct HDMI to HDMI lead. I have actually wired it in cat 6 cable for future proofing but have tried it with 5e plugs and patch leads to see if it works, don't suppose putting cat 6 bits on the end would make any difference.
Also I cant get the IR receivers on it to work properly either although I would rather use the eyes via coax anyway because tere will be 2 sky HD boxes eventually next to each other and I want to keep the IR signals separate.
Another question, I have wired it to a separate hub/switch however the instructions show it running through a standard router, is this likely to work if you ran the system through a standard switch that also has the broadband/networking running through it.
http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/Product.aspx?PID=9...
Sky box to TX then into a 10/100 8 way switch and then onto 2 RX's all over cat5 The picture and sound work OK but considering its going to a brand new panny plasma the quality doesn't look quite there to me.
Do these units compress the signal so its not quite as good as a direct HDMI to HDMI lead. I have actually wired it in cat 6 cable for future proofing but have tried it with 5e plugs and patch leads to see if it works, don't suppose putting cat 6 bits on the end would make any difference.
Also I cant get the IR receivers on it to work properly either although I would rather use the eyes via coax anyway because tere will be 2 sky HD boxes eventually next to each other and I want to keep the IR signals separate.
Another question, I have wired it to a separate hub/switch however the instructions show it running through a standard router, is this likely to work if you ran the system through a standard switch that also has the broadband/networking running through it.
te these. HD too compressed, unacceptable motion blur and sound well out of sync with picture.Are you sure it is designed to pass through a router?
It's an odd device if it does because there is nothing else in the retail ,racket that offers to do that.
Plenty in the commercial market which we use from time to time, but I only use HD BaseT stuff and usually from CYP. But I need rock solid performance for my clients.
Out of interest how much was it?
V.
It's an odd device if it does because there is nothing else in the retail ,racket that offers to do that.
Plenty in the commercial market which we use from time to time, but I only use HD BaseT stuff and usually from CYP. But I need rock solid performance for my clients.
Out of interest how much was it?
V.
Paperwork for it
http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/admin/products/doc...
it was about £120+vat for 1 tx and 2 rx's.
I was thinking about using a hdmi splitter first and then using the single point extenders-the ones over a pair of network cables. I agree about Hd baseT but its out of bounds price wise.
Can you recomend anything else that will transmit sky hd to 3 or 4 tvs
http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/admin/products/doc...
it was about £120+vat for 1 tx and 2 rx's.
I was thinking about using a hdmi splitter first and then using the single point extenders-the ones over a pair of network cables. I agree about Hd baseT but its out of bounds price wise.
Can you recomend anything else that will transmit sky hd to 3 or 4 tvs
NH1 said:
I have just purchased one of these.
http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/Product.aspx?PID=9...
Sky box to TX then into a 10/100 8 way switch and then onto 2 RX's all over cat5
Have you actually tried this????http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/Product.aspx?PID=9...
Sky box to TX then into a 10/100 8 way switch and then onto 2 RX's all over cat5
The way these work doesn't allow them to go over a standard network hub. Otherwise they would be in every corporate environment.
Rick Cutler said:
NH1 said:
I have just purchased one of these.
http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/Product.aspx?PID=9...
Sky box to TX then into a 10/100 8 way switch and then onto 2 RX's all over cat5
Have you actually tried this????http://www.sacelectronics.co.uk/Product.aspx?PID=9...
Sky box to TX then into a 10/100 8 way switch and then onto 2 RX's all over cat5
The way these work doesn't allow them to go over a standard network hub. Otherwise they would be in every corporate environment.
All connected up and working. You get a transmitter and a reciever in one box and then you buy extra receivers.
At the moment I have a sky HD box plugged into the transmitter, out of the transmitter via a single cat 5 into a bog standard 10/100 8 way hub/switch. there are then 2 outputs from the hub via cat 5 to the two separate receivers in 2 different rooms.
It works in theory but the sound is slightly out of sync with the lip movements and you can tell the HD has been compressed a bit too much, especially when viewing football etc.
Meant to say, it came from Grax so not really retail market.
Edited by NH1 on Tuesday 13th May 20:04
This is just a cheap and nasty looking version of Just add power, surprise, surprise the price is a fraction of the cost and the quality is horrid. I wouldn't be surprised if the baluns are converting the signal or composite and re converting at the other end [shudders].
HDMI over IP is proven and works very well, with early product there was a small quality compromise but with the lasted models this has gone. I think the 'must go via a router' note is just because they don't expect these devices to be setup on layer 2 managed switches as they should be (outside of most peoples comfort zone) and as such need to sit on a basic network and have a router issued IP address. Could be wrong.
HDMI over IP is quite bandwidth Hungary so best installed away from the LAN altogether.
HDMI over IP is proven and works very well, with early product there was a small quality compromise but with the lasted models this has gone. I think the 'must go via a router' note is just because they don't expect these devices to be setup on layer 2 managed switches as they should be (outside of most peoples comfort zone) and as such need to sit on a basic network and have a router issued IP address. Could be wrong.
HDMI over IP is quite bandwidth Hungary so best installed away from the LAN altogether.
VEX said:
Are you sure it is designed to pass through a router?
It's an odd device if it does because there is nothing else in the retail ,racket that offers to do that.
Plenty in the commercial market which we use from time to time, but I only use HD BaseT stuff and usually from CYP. But I need rock solid performance for my clients.
Out of interest how much was it?
V.
Chris, what are your experiences of HDAnywhere, HDBaseT?It's an odd device if it does because there is nothing else in the retail ,racket that offers to do that.
Plenty in the commercial market which we use from time to time, but I only use HD BaseT stuff and usually from CYP. But I need rock solid performance for my clients.
Out of interest how much was it?
V.
Sorry to highjack the thread but I'm teally struggling with this. I've contacted a variety of suppliers in my area and they are either aerial installers who don't have experience in hdmi distribution or they are highend home automation people who want ne to spend thousands on automating the entire home.
Is there something I can read that explains what my network should look like and what the options are with their pros and cons? If I don't want to go full matrix what else could I do and retain IR control in more than one room etc.
Anyone recommend a supplier / installer in west yorkshire?
Thanks
Is there something I can read that explains what my network should look like and what the options are with their pros and cons? If I don't want to go full matrix what else could I do and retain IR control in more than one room etc.
Anyone recommend a supplier / installer in west yorkshire?
Thanks
goingonholiday said:
Sorry to highjack the thread but I'm teally struggling with this. I've contacted a variety of suppliers in my area and they are either aerial installers who don't have experience in hdmi distribution or they are highend home automation people who want ne to spend thousands on automating the entire home.
Is there something I can read that explains what my network should look like and what the options are with their pros and cons? If I don't want to go full matrix what else could I do and retain IR control in more than one room etc.
Anyone recommend a supplier / installer in west yorkshire?
Thanks
Can I just add to this...Is there something I can read that explains what my network should look like and what the options are with their pros and cons? If I don't want to go full matrix what else could I do and retain IR control in more than one room etc.
Anyone recommend a supplier / installer in west yorkshire?
Thanks
IF YOU WANT HDMI OVER CAT5 AND GET HD QUALITY ALL OVER THE HOUSE EXPECT TO PAY THOUSANDS! If you want TV round the house then use Coax and Sky Eye type devices, there are pages and pages of topics on this.
I have been doing home installation for over 10 years, I have a wyrestrom 4x4 cat5 matrix 40m transmission only, that sends the picture but to gaurantee the control i have Control4 home automation processor. Total cost trade was over £2000 plus the programming time and the design proofing.
AV companies charge what they do because we have spent a long time proving what kit works with what! Would you build a car unless you were an expert? Or had a precise manual?
Rick Cutler said:
Can I just add to this...
IF YOU WANT HDMI OVER CAT5 AND GET HD QUALITY ALL OVER THE HOUSE EXPECT TO PAY THOUSANDS! If you want TV round the house then use Coax and Sky Eye type devices, there are pages and pages of topics on this.
I have been doing home installation for over 10 years, I have a wyrestrom 4x4 cat5 matrix 40m transmission only, that sends the picture but to gaurantee the control i have Control4 home automation processor. Total cost trade was over £2000 plus the programming time and the design proofing.
AV companies charge what they do because we have spent a long time proving what kit works with what! Would you build a car unless you were an expert? Or had a precise manual?
I am not looking for something as complex as a car. I just want HD tv in a couple of rooms. I can get full home automation for £5k+ or I can send some basic Tv around the house over coax. What I want and need is something in the middle. From what I can see I'm not alone. Maybe there is a gap in the market? Happy to pay say £2k just not £5k+.IF YOU WANT HDMI OVER CAT5 AND GET HD QUALITY ALL OVER THE HOUSE EXPECT TO PAY THOUSANDS! If you want TV round the house then use Coax and Sky Eye type devices, there are pages and pages of topics on this.
I have been doing home installation for over 10 years, I have a wyrestrom 4x4 cat5 matrix 40m transmission only, that sends the picture but to gaurantee the control i have Control4 home automation processor. Total cost trade was over £2000 plus the programming time and the design proofing.
AV companies charge what they do because we have spent a long time proving what kit works with what! Would you build a car unless you were an expert? Or had a precise manual?
Any constructive help would be appreciated.
Thanks
goingonholiday said:
Sorry to highjack the thread but I'm teally struggling with this. I've contacted a variety of suppliers in my area and they are either aerial installers who don't have experience in hdmi distribution or they are highend home automation people who want ne to spend thousands on automating the entire home.
Is there something I can read that explains what my network should look like and what the options are with their pros and cons? If I don't want to go full matrix what else could I do and retain IR control in more than one room etc.
Anyone recommend a supplier / installer in west yorkshire?
Thanks
Is there something I can read that explains what my network should look like and what the options are with their pros and cons? If I don't want to go full matrix what else could I do and retain IR control in more than one room etc.
Anyone recommend a supplier / installer in west yorkshire?
Thanks
Rick Cutler said:
Can I just add to this...
IF YOU WANT HDMI OVER CAT5 AND GET HD QUALITY ALL OVER THE HOUSE EXPECT TO PAY THOUSANDS! If you want TV round the house then use Coax and Sky Eye type devices, there are pages and pages of topics on this.
I have been doing home installation for over 10 years, I have a wyrestrom 4x4 cat5 matrix 40m transmission only, that sends the picture but to gaurantee the control i have Control4 home automation processor. Total cost trade was over £2000 plus the programming time and the design proofing.
AV companies charge what they do because we have spent a long time proving what kit works with what! Would you build a car unless you were an expert? Or had a precise manual?
Totally agree. We have had issues with certain products so stick to tried and tested HDMI distribution which of course isn't cheap. Either do it properly or give it a wide birth. We've always used Wyrestorm in their various guises although we maybe trying the Hydraconnect kit as it works seamlessly (or so they say!) with Control4.IF YOU WANT HDMI OVER CAT5 AND GET HD QUALITY ALL OVER THE HOUSE EXPECT TO PAY THOUSANDS! If you want TV round the house then use Coax and Sky Eye type devices, there are pages and pages of topics on this.
I have been doing home installation for over 10 years, I have a wyrestrom 4x4 cat5 matrix 40m transmission only, that sends the picture but to gaurantee the control i have Control4 home automation processor. Total cost trade was over £2000 plus the programming time and the design proofing.
AV companies charge what they do because we have spent a long time proving what kit works with what! Would you build a car unless you were an expert? Or had a precise manual?
goingonholiday - We're not far from you (York) but I think you've already got an answer ... what you want probably can't be done within your budget. You're better of splitting the HD signal and then using the RF2 from your Sky box connected to your coax cable system to receive the Sky IR remote signal via a magic eye.
Wyrestorm out of warranty support has been poor for me and CYP will warranty Hot Pluging.
CYP do a nice little HDBT 2 way splitter, HDMI In and 2 x HDBT ports out. They also do a 3 and a 7 way version (which I am using in two underground houses I am doing)
Alternatively, a completely different way to do it is use an HDMI to HD Freeview modulator and then use the coax network, keep the sky eyes and buy freeview HD tv's
Lots of ways to skin a cat at different budgets, that is why we are called Custom Installers.
V.
CYP do a nice little HDBT 2 way splitter, HDMI In and 2 x HDBT ports out. They also do a 3 and a 7 way version (which I am using in two underground houses I am doing)
Alternatively, a completely different way to do it is use an HDMI to HD Freeview modulator and then use the coax network, keep the sky eyes and buy freeview HD tv's
Lots of ways to skin a cat at different budgets, that is why we are called Custom Installers.
V.
VEX said:
Wyrestorm out of warranty support has been poor for me and CYP will warranty Hot Pluging.
CYP do a nice little HDBT 2 way splitter, HDMI In and 2 x HDBT ports out. They also do a 3 and a 7 way version (which I am using in two underground houses I am doing)
Alternatively, a completely different way to do it is use an HDMI to HD Freeview modulator and then use the coax network, keep the sky eyes and buy freeview HD tv's
Lots of ways to skin a cat at different budgets, that is why we are called Custom Installers.
V.
What a good idea. Personally I have removed the SAC stuff and replaced with a labgear single point twin rj45 one, the difference is like night and day . Getting a 2nd HD box so I will use another to connect that up.CYP do a nice little HDBT 2 way splitter, HDMI In and 2 x HDBT ports out. They also do a 3 and a 7 way version (which I am using in two underground houses I am doing)
Alternatively, a completely different way to do it is use an HDMI to HD Freeview modulator and then use the coax network, keep the sky eyes and buy freeview HD tv's
Lots of ways to skin a cat at different budgets, that is why we are called Custom Installers.
V.
Is there any reason why you cant put a HDMI spltter beforehand and use multiple units?
VEX said:
HD Freeview modulator and then use the coax network
I was bouncing around in the van down some rural country lanes last month with a fella that calls upon me when he needs two people on the job.I was asking how come we can get Digital Terrestrial HD down coax from an aerial on the roof but we can't distribute 'Sky box' HD as a digital signal via coax around the house with magic eye control. I know all the latest Sky boxes are arriving without any RF stuff now and you have to invest in their IO Link.
Would you mind posting a few links to reliable kit that can take the HDMI output from say a Sky Box (although other receivers are equally applicable) and modulate that into a digital signal that we can run over coax and plug into the aerial socket on the back of a modern-day digital TV?
Also, is there anything in the way of distribution amplifiers that we can install in a loft and run out to the bedrooms etc with support for magic eye control?
I would really appreciate your thoughts and suggestions.
Thanks.
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