Satellite Tv coaxial cable question
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Hi all, I am helping build a house with Cat6 and coaxial cables to all rooms. The 1st fix sparky's have been in and ran 1 coaxial cable from each room to the fusebox area for making off. I have a couple of questions.
1. Shouldn't the cables run direct to the satellite dish if they can (as its all new and easy to do) to cut down on joiners/splitters?
2. Shouldn't they have at least 2 coaxial cables to kitchen, living room so recording can happen as well as watching?
Thanks to any insight.
1. Shouldn't the cables run direct to the satellite dish if they can (as its all new and easy to do) to cut down on joiners/splitters?
2. Shouldn't they have at least 2 coaxial cables to kitchen, living room so recording can happen as well as watching?
Thanks to any insight.
I haven't done this for ages, so maybe it has changed. But I thought you had to decide where your satellite box would be and that requires two feeds from the satellite dish. The rest is just a single point and is connected to the 'out' on the satellite box with a magic eye or similar.
Steve
Steve
Sounds like they plan on using a distribution amp or loftbox as its known, not a bad idea to have it in a more accessible location if they are. As said the plan could be to use the rf out on the sky box to distribute the signal via magic eyes.
You will still need the cables down from the dish to sky box location though.
You will still need the cables down from the dish to sky box location though.
If the Sky boxes are going to be in the rooms, then you'd definitely need two runs of Coax to each place where you want a Sky box.
The house we've recently bought actually has 1 Coax for Freeview to every room, 2 extra Coaxes to the rooms where a Sky box might be, and then an ADDITIONAL coax to one room (making 4 in total) for backhaul of the Sky RF signal to other "non-Sky" rooms. All wired back to a cupboard where the various cables from the roof come in.
You might try asking in the Home Cinema & HiFi forum also.
The house we've recently bought actually has 1 Coax for Freeview to every room, 2 extra Coaxes to the rooms where a Sky box might be, and then an ADDITIONAL coax to one room (making 4 in total) for backhaul of the Sky RF signal to other "non-Sky" rooms. All wired back to a cupboard where the various cables from the roof come in.
You might try asking in the Home Cinema & HiFi forum also.
I will post it in home,tv & cinema as well great idea.
Thanks for all the input.
I assume it will be run as freesat not sky (as I know the client). I have freesat at home and there is 2 coaxial to the main tv. If we wanted more it was just more cost on the box connected to the dish which needed more outputs. Because it's a new build we could run complete wires direct to the dish (octo output). I was wondering if this was better for an area that probably has a weak signal, as they live on Dartmoor.
Thanks for all the input.
I assume it will be run as freesat not sky (as I know the client). I have freesat at home and there is 2 coaxial to the main tv. If we wanted more it was just more cost on the box connected to the dish which needed more outputs. Because it's a new build we could run complete wires direct to the dish (octo output). I was wondering if this was better for an area that probably has a weak signal, as they live on Dartmoor.
That is a fairly lowly spec tbh.
As a standard tv point I always install a minimum of 2 coax and 2 Cat6 to each point from the central hub and then a minimum of 5 coax cables for the roof or dish point to the hub.
Then electronics can be used in the hub of you need more than 4 satellite feeds either at the hub or at the tv points.
Also double check the coax quality, it can have a dramatic effect on the performance of a system. Look for a CAI reference number marked on the cable. I always try to use WF100 as a standard.
Hth.
V.
As a standard tv point I always install a minimum of 2 coax and 2 Cat6 to each point from the central hub and then a minimum of 5 coax cables for the roof or dish point to the hub.
Then electronics can be used in the hub of you need more than 4 satellite feeds either at the hub or at the tv points.
Also double check the coax quality, it can have a dramatic effect on the performance of a system. Look for a CAI reference number marked on the cable. I always try to use WF100 as a standard.
Hth.
V.
As VEX said, we pretty much spec the same. Cable is cheap to put in at First Fix stage of the build so the more the merrier in terms of being able to change things around later on.
For us, five coax feeds to the dish/terrestrial aerial area on the roof back to a central point.
Two coax to every room, two CAT5 to each room, sometimes more on big rooms - again all run back to a central point.
Plus we sometime spec some additional CAT5 runs to places where we feel WiFi Access Points may need to be installed to cover all areas of the property.
Don't forget to spec a few 240V double mains sockets around the place if you think you'll be hiding kit away in cupboards/loft space etc.
(P.S. Make sure the spark knows what CAT5 cable is, a few times now we've arrived back on site to a newly decorated & furnished house to find telephone cable hanging out at all the points. )
For us, five coax feeds to the dish/terrestrial aerial area on the roof back to a central point.
Two coax to every room, two CAT5 to each room, sometimes more on big rooms - again all run back to a central point.
Plus we sometime spec some additional CAT5 runs to places where we feel WiFi Access Points may need to be installed to cover all areas of the property.
Don't forget to spec a few 240V double mains sockets around the place if you think you'll be hiding kit away in cupboards/loft space etc.
(P.S. Make sure the spark knows what CAT5 cable is, a few times now we've arrived back on site to a newly decorated & furnished house to find telephone cable hanging out at all the points. )
5 cables are for 4 sat feeds, for the 4 different channel groups that are transmitted, and 1 for Freeview. If your really worried a 6th as a spare.
Then you can either feed 4 sat receivers or 2 sky boxes directly or using an IRS switch feed as many points as you like. I look after an apartment block in Knightbridge that feeds over 400 points using this type of solution.
Hidden wifi boost points is a common trick. Most can now be powered over the data cable so just a pair of cat6 cables in the airing cupboard and underneath a kitchen plinth are good locations to hide them.
Personally I have switched to Cat6 everywhere, not just t fo data but it giv a us more performance/capability for hd video distribution.
Hth
V.
Then you can either feed 4 sat receivers or 2 sky boxes directly or using an IRS switch feed as many points as you like. I look after an apartment block in Knightbridge that feeds over 400 points using this type of solution.
Hidden wifi boost points is a common trick. Most can now be powered over the data cable so just a pair of cat6 cables in the airing cupboard and underneath a kitchen plinth are good locations to hide them.
Personally I have switched to Cat6 everywhere, not just t fo data but it giv a us more performance/capability for hd video distribution.
Hth
V.
As vex has said but you must use a Quattro lnb into a multiswitch, choose one big enough so you can have 2 cables to each point. This will allow you to use freesat+ or sky+ boxes all watching or recording different channels on different parts of the lnb. The 5th cable into the multiswitch is for the terrestrial aerial, for faceplates you should look along the lines of a triax quad output plate.
Power Junkie said:
As vex has said but you must use a Quattro lnb into a multiswitch, choose one big enough so you can have 2 cables to each point. This will allow you to use freesat+ or sky+ boxes all watching or recording different channels on different parts of the lnb. The 5th cable into the multiswitch is for the terrestrial aerial, for faceplates you should look along the lines of a triax quad output plate.
Sorry Power J but you don't anymore. There are a couple of irs switches that now out out the correct power and tone to select a band off the Quad LNB.This way the client can start with 4 feeds and expand if needed.
V.
Power Junkie said:
Vex how does that work on a quad if you need a channel on both for example HH and VL? The quad doesn't output all quadrants like the Quattro?
The switch outputs the correct voltage/tone for each band and you connect it to all four output of the LNB. That way each input gets its required fixed input, one HH, one HL, one VH and one VL. So there is no need for a fixed output Quattro. For undecided or speculative installs it is a good solution or if you need to add more ports to an existing install.
Does that help.
V.
Vex M8,
Any chance of a diagram online anywhere as an example.
Putting plans in for a new build and I want to get this right.
Also I'm hoping to run the cables outside and up the steep bank at the back of the property.
Motorised dish and two free view antennas as I can get both Irish and Northern Ireland TV (one facing south and one north). It's a fair run TBF so some high spec cable will be needed.
Any chance of a diagram online anywhere as an example.
Putting plans in for a new build and I want to get this right.
Also I'm hoping to run the cables outside and up the steep bank at the back of the property.
Motorised dish and two free view antennas as I can get both Irish and Northern Ireland TV (one facing south and one north). It's a fair run TBF so some high spec cable will be needed.
V8A*ndy said:
Vex M8,
Any chance of a diagram online anywhere as an example.
Putting plans in for a new build and I want to get this right.
Also I'm hoping to run the cables outside and up the steep bank at the back of the property.
Motorised dish and two free view antennas as I can get both Irish and Northern Ireland TV (one facing south and one north). It's a fair run TBF so some high spec cable will be needed.
Yes, I'll try to sort something out for you today.Any chance of a diagram online anywhere as an example.
Putting plans in for a new build and I want to get this right.
Also I'm hoping to run the cables outside and up the steep bank at the back of the property.
Motorised dish and two free view antennas as I can get both Irish and Northern Ireland TV (one facing south and one north). It's a fair run TBF so some high spec cable will be needed.
V.
OK. Thanks for your all your help.
The Plan:-
4 bedroom house, living room and kitchen (for wiring data and coaxial cables).
Each of the 6 rooms will recieve:-
2 x Cat6 to all 6 rooms
2 x Coaxial to kitchen and living area (2 each)(for recording and watching)
1 x Coaxial to 4 bedrooms (1 cable to each)
Total = 12 Data and 8 coaxial
I have spoken with the client today and this is as much as he wants.
Although I have a few tech. questions please PH's
1. Can the patch panel be fitted in a small room with other electrical machines and the main fusebox. Or is it best to be away from major electrical areas? The incoming phone line atm is in the will be office...maybe better place for patch panel?
2. How many outputs are needed for the dish. I assume a quattro with a splitter?
3. What kind of boxes and face plates are recommended for single and double coaxial and double Rj45?
Thanks to all
The Plan:-
4 bedroom house, living room and kitchen (for wiring data and coaxial cables).
Each of the 6 rooms will recieve:-
2 x Cat6 to all 6 rooms
2 x Coaxial to kitchen and living area (2 each)(for recording and watching)
1 x Coaxial to 4 bedrooms (1 cable to each)
Total = 12 Data and 8 coaxial
I have spoken with the client today and this is as much as he wants.
Although I have a few tech. questions please PH's
1. Can the patch panel be fitted in a small room with other electrical machines and the main fusebox. Or is it best to be away from major electrical areas? The incoming phone line atm is in the will be office...maybe better place for patch panel?
2. How many outputs are needed for the dish. I assume a quattro with a splitter?
3. What kind of boxes and face plates are recommended for single and double coaxial and double Rj45?
Thanks to all
Edited by gingermartin on Tuesday 5th May 21:44
Edited by gingermartin on Tuesday 5th May 21:46
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