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As above, is there better for the money?
I`ve been toying of the idea of either a 55" OLED or a 65" 4K of some sort for about this money, but this seems to tick both boxes doesn`t it? Or am i missing something
http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/samsung-qe65q6fam-65-ql...
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I`ve been toying of the idea of either a 55" OLED or a 65" 4K of some sort for about this money, but this seems to tick both boxes doesn`t it? Or am i missing something
http://www.prcdirect.co.uk/samsung-qe65q6fam-65-ql...
id-QE65Q6FAM:dev-c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwLe0uv6C3gIVzLHtCh2hsgjjEAQYAyABEgKEHPD_BwEOLED and QLED are totally different.
OLED are self emitting - so they can be "off" and produce totaly black. Perfect contrast , inky blacks.
QLED is LCD technology - backlit with LEDs. "black" is achieved by turning pixels black but light still gets through, so you really get dark grey.
https://www.cnet.com/news/qled-vs-oled-samsungs-tv...
OLED are self emitting - so they can be "off" and produce totaly black. Perfect contrast , inky blacks.
QLED is LCD technology - backlit with LEDs. "black" is achieved by turning pixels black but light still gets through, so you really get dark grey.
https://www.cnet.com/news/qled-vs-oled-samsungs-tv...
In a nutshell, if you watch mainly films, and get annoyed by the "greyness" of blacks (I do) then OLED is your choice. If you watch mainly "TV" and have never noticed this issue, LED is far cheaper per screen size. Also, if you watch TV in a bright room LED may be better.
OLED is similar to Plasma, which is still hugely popular with film buffs.
I watch "tv" on a 40" LED TV. I watch movies on a 135" projector, which is stunning, but has poor blacks. I live with it as the screen size outweighs the lack of good blacks and I only notice it occasionally on films with lots of dark scenes.
Once a 100" OLED is affordable, I'll ditch the PJ. I've viewed 60" OLED and it is still not big enough to even approach the wow / cinema factor of a 135" screen. Plus I really really don't want to watch "TV" on a 100" screen! Not sure what I'll do about that!
OLED is similar to Plasma, which is still hugely popular with film buffs.
I watch "tv" on a 40" LED TV. I watch movies on a 135" projector, which is stunning, but has poor blacks. I live with it as the screen size outweighs the lack of good blacks and I only notice it occasionally on films with lots of dark scenes.
Once a 100" OLED is affordable, I'll ditch the PJ. I've viewed 60" OLED and it is still not big enough to even approach the wow / cinema factor of a 135" screen. Plus I really really don't want to watch "TV" on a 100" screen! Not sure what I'll do about that!
The ability for a screen to do proper black is what gives the image depth, it reproduces how we expect to see things in real life, it gives the screen that almost 3D like effect.
The price difference between an LCD worth having, like the Sony XF9005, vs an OLED like the LG B8, as good as the most expensive image wise, is so small I can't see the point of buying an LCD at all if you want that size.
When you were paying 3x as much there was a reason, when you are paying £150 more, there isn't.
I have one in a conservatory with 7m of windows, it goes bright.
The only reason I can think of is if you game alot, and if you pay the same game with a HUD for hours on end, you could risk some screen burn.
But I leave Sky news on for hours on mine, which is calibrated to be be pretty bright and never had an issue. That is a yellow banner on sky too, which is the worst colour for it.
Friend swapped his 1080 OLED for the Sony ZD9 lcd, he said he should have stuck with OLED, and that is regarded as the best LCD ever made and was £4k.
The price difference between an LCD worth having, like the Sony XF9005, vs an OLED like the LG B8, as good as the most expensive image wise, is so small I can't see the point of buying an LCD at all if you want that size.
When you were paying 3x as much there was a reason, when you are paying £150 more, there isn't.
I have one in a conservatory with 7m of windows, it goes bright.
The only reason I can think of is if you game alot, and if you pay the same game with a HUD for hours on end, you could risk some screen burn.
But I leave Sky news on for hours on mine, which is calibrated to be be pretty bright and never had an issue. That is a yellow banner on sky too, which is the worst colour for it.
Friend swapped his 1080 OLED for the Sony ZD9 lcd, he said he should have stuck with OLED, and that is regarded as the best LCD ever made and was £4k.
Thanks for all the replies, I`m even more confused!! 
So I currently have a 50" Panasonic Viera Plasma, which in turn replaced a 50" Pioneer Kuro Plasma
I love my films and have a collection of about 3000!
That being said, we now have 2 small kids so it is mainly used for normal TV, although in HD wherever possible.
I have Sky Q and thought an upgrade would be on the cards to benefit from the UHD channels (I have taken the movie sub as well, and we also have Netflix and Amazon Prime.
Films are limited to probably once a week if that, although boxsets are currently favourite (The Affair, The Bodyguard etc).
So thought OLED was definitely the way forward, but maybe not!
So I currently have a 50" Panasonic Viera Plasma, which in turn replaced a 50" Pioneer Kuro Plasma
I love my films and have a collection of about 3000!
That being said, we now have 2 small kids so it is mainly used for normal TV, although in HD wherever possible.
I have Sky Q and thought an upgrade would be on the cards to benefit from the UHD channels (I have taken the movie sub as well, and we also have Netflix and Amazon Prime.
Films are limited to probably once a week if that, although boxsets are currently favourite (The Affair, The Bodyguard etc).
So thought OLED was definitely the way forward, but maybe not!
OLED is the way forward.
A well set up OLED, to give an image you like, will beat the very best LCDs out there.
Why do you think Panasonic etc. now only have OLED as their premium sets?
They are in a different league to LCD. There are certain things even the best LCDs simply can't do, for one is scenes with mixed content where you have lots of dark and bits of bright light on screen. It might be adequate, but see a well set up OLED next to it and you will see what it is meant to look like.
A well set up OLED, to give an image you like, will beat the very best LCDs out there.
Why do you think Panasonic etc. now only have OLED as their premium sets?
They are in a different league to LCD. There are certain things even the best LCDs simply can't do, for one is scenes with mixed content where you have lots of dark and bits of bright light on screen. It might be adequate, but see a well set up OLED next to it and you will see what it is meant to look like.
gizlaroc said:
OLED is the way forward.
A well set up OLED, to give an image you like, will beat the very best LCDs out there.
Why do you think Panasonic etc. now only have OLED as their premium sets?
They are in a different league to LCD. There are certain things even the best LCDs simply can't do, for one is scenes with mixed content where you have lots of dark and bits of bright light on screen. It might be adequate, but see a well set up OLED next to it and you will see what it is meant to look like.
I`ve read a bit about them having to be set up properly. Is that something you do yourself, or do I need budget for "someone" to come and do it?A well set up OLED, to give an image you like, will beat the very best LCDs out there.
Why do you think Panasonic etc. now only have OLED as their premium sets?
They are in a different league to LCD. There are certain things even the best LCDs simply can't do, for one is scenes with mixed content where you have lots of dark and bits of bright light on screen. It might be adequate, but see a well set up OLED next to it and you will see what it is meant to look like.
I went from a Pioneer Kuro Plasma to an OLED 2 years ago.
Even with "normal TV" - I genuinely still think "Wow" at the picture at least once a week. Even people who are not into TVs comment on the picture quality - it really is superb.
I set mine up myself. Started with recommended settings from AVForums, and then changed them (quite a lot in the end) over a period of a few months.
Even with "normal TV" - I genuinely still think "Wow" at the picture at least once a week. Even people who are not into TVs comment on the picture quality - it really is superb.
I set mine up myself. Started with recommended settings from AVForums, and then changed them (quite a lot in the end) over a period of a few months.
13 DJP said:
I`ve read a bit about them having to be set up properly. Is that something you do yourself, or do I need budget for "someone" to come and do it?
No, loads of peoples calibrated settings out there.What I meant was many people leave it in store mode out of the box and it doesn't look any better than a £500 LCD.
A friend of mine swapped his Panasonic LCD, a good one to be fair, for a C7 Oled a while back and was underwhelmed.
I popped over to have a look and he just didn't have it set up right. Within 5 minutes I had it looking how it could look.
He now says that I can't see him ever needing another TV again, he is that blown away by it.
There must be so many people out there who get it home, plug it in and never change basic settings, it looks awful.
gizlaroc said:
No, loads of peoples calibrated settings out there.
What I meant was many people leave it in store mode out of the box and it doesn't look any better than a £500 LCD.
A friend of mine swapped his Panasonic LCD, a good one to be fair, for a C7 Oled a while back and was underwhelmed.
I popped over to have a look and he just didn't have it set up right. Within 5 minutes I had it looking how it could look.
He now says that I can't see him ever needing another TV again, he is that blown away by it.
There must be so many people out there who get it home, plug it in and never change basic settings, it looks awful.
Cheers bud What I meant was many people leave it in store mode out of the box and it doesn't look any better than a £500 LCD.
A friend of mine swapped his Panasonic LCD, a good one to be fair, for a C7 Oled a while back and was underwhelmed.
I popped over to have a look and he just didn't have it set up right. Within 5 minutes I had it looking how it could look.
He now says that I can't see him ever needing another TV again, he is that blown away by it.
There must be so many people out there who get it home, plug it in and never change basic settings, it looks awful.
The likes of Curry's sell a £10 Blu-ray disk for calibrating TVs. Comes with colour lenses to look through. Very easy to do. Everything is explained clearly. Will take you an hour or so if you take your time.
Most TVs colour settings are fine out of the box now as led / oled is easy to get right in the factory.
What you end up changing (and this is only a rough summary)
- turning OFF
Any dynamic colour modes (usually there to make the TV look brighter than all the others it's next to in the shop)
Any/most motion smoothing
Any image 'cleaning' or enhancing
Any sharpness to zero
Any noise reduction
That kind of stuff. Stuff that tries to add to the video source.
Then,
Setting brightness and backlighting so blacks are black and greys are grey
Dialling down contrast
Finally you play with colour bars to calibrate colours correctly -red green and blue. Though I have found with decent led TVs this barely needs changing.
All the above makes a world of difference though it can take a day to get used to if you are used to retina burning default settings :-)
Most TVs colour settings are fine out of the box now as led / oled is easy to get right in the factory.
What you end up changing (and this is only a rough summary)
- turning OFF
Any dynamic colour modes (usually there to make the TV look brighter than all the others it's next to in the shop)
Any/most motion smoothing
Any image 'cleaning' or enhancing
Any sharpness to zero
Any noise reduction
That kind of stuff. Stuff that tries to add to the video source.
Then,
Setting brightness and backlighting so blacks are black and greys are grey
Dialling down contrast
Finally you play with colour bars to calibrate colours correctly -red green and blue. Though I have found with decent led TVs this barely needs changing.
All the above makes a world of difference though it can take a day to get used to if you are used to retina burning default settings :-)
Cheers for that Roger, much appreciated 
Right, so that`s that sorted then 55" OLED it is
I`ve just realised I`m probably going to have to replace my amp as well!
At the minute, everything is fed into my 10 year old Sony amp and then distributed to 4 other TV`s. This is however not 4K! Will it pass through ok, or do I need to upgrade the amp to match the main TV as well?
Right, so that`s that sorted then 55" OLED it is
I`ve just realised I`m probably going to have to replace my amp as well!
At the minute, everything is fed into my 10 year old Sony amp and then distributed to 4 other TV`s. This is however not 4K! Will it pass through ok, or do I need to upgrade the amp to match the main TV as well?
QLED still uses LCD but the backlight isnt white (which is what bleeds through giving a hazy grey appearance to blacks), but shifted towards blue/UV which the eyes are less sensitive to. Backlight bleed is very difficult to solve with LCD, so QLED if done right should give the LCD a longer shelf life! I would be more worried about this stupid trend of thinning screens down - you compromise on uniformity big time!
OLED still suffers from banding with "near black" content. Might change with better quality control and sorting at the panel factory.
Calibration is pretty much the same process for all of them. To do it properly takes hours, lots of patience, and light detector similar to a 'Spyder' (needs appropriate software like Calman). Doing it by eye and copying other peoples settings is not what you want.
I have been to cinemas where dark scenes were noticeably grey, and not as black as the edges of the projector screen. So maybe a little bit of grey isnt all that bad and makes it more cinematic? Unlike TVs though, a projector shows near uniform grey.
OLED still suffers from banding with "near black" content. Might change with better quality control and sorting at the panel factory.
Calibration is pretty much the same process for all of them. To do it properly takes hours, lots of patience, and light detector similar to a 'Spyder' (needs appropriate software like Calman). Doing it by eye and copying other peoples settings is not what you want.
I have been to cinemas where dark scenes were noticeably grey, and not as black as the edges of the projector screen. So maybe a little bit of grey isnt all that bad and makes it more cinematic? Unlike TVs though, a projector shows near uniform grey.
I'm not even using my OLED anymore, but it is the only one I have ever seen with no uniformity issues and no tint at all.
I know I should sell it, but the fact it is bordering on perfect and I will probably never get another one like that I can't bring myself to do it.
I know I should sell it, but the fact it is bordering on perfect and I will probably never get another one like that I can't bring myself to do it.
Edited by gizlaroc on Friday 2nd November 14:38
gizlaroc said:
Can you not plug them all into your new TV, then one HDMI back from the ARC out into your amp for sound?
Then you only need to use the TV controller and can set up presets for different sources.
Like game mode for PS4 or whatever, ISF for Sky and AppleTV etc.
I don`t know, can I?Then you only need to use the TV controller and can set up presets for different sources.
Like game mode for PS4 or whatever, ISF for Sky and AppleTV etc.
Sounds possible I suppose. I currently have Sky Q, Blu Ray, Chromecast, X-Box, PS4 etc all into the amp, and then out via a HDMI splitter into 4 different TV`s downstairs.
So, are you saying, i can plug it all into a new OLED then there`s an output from the TV for both picture and sound I can then split elsewhere?
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