£700 4K TV- recommendations please!
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Not very PH I know, but I bought a Polaroid 50” 4k from Asda in summer for £260.
Seems to work fine. I can’t see any difference in picture quality between that and my mate’s £700 LG.
Edit: Just saw a JL link on another thread. Seems you can buy some ‘name’ stuff cheap enough. I’ll shut up about my Gola telly
https://www.johnlewis.com/browse/black-friday/elec...
Seems to work fine. I can’t see any difference in picture quality between that and my mate’s £700 LG.
Edit: Just saw a JL link on another thread. Seems you can buy some ‘name’ stuff cheap enough. I’ll shut up about my Gola telly
https://www.johnlewis.com/browse/black-friday/elec...
Edited by 57Ford on Thursday 22 November 21:48
No I mean sony 55" 4k £629 https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs...
Vs
Sony 55" 4k £1799
https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs...
Is oled that much better than led?
Vs
Sony 55" 4k £1799
https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs...
Is oled that much better than led?
I got what you meant, but the point was not all LCDs are the same either.
A £700 LCD will not look as good as the best £2k LCD, having said that, a crap £2k LCD will look worse than a really good £700 one.
However, I would argue all OLEDs made so far beat all LCDs regardless of price point.
Anyway, that Sony you linked to uses an IPS panel and looks a washed out mess. Not worth £250 imho.
OLED is worth it over the best LCD.
If it were me I would get on avforums and buy a used 55" OLED. Can get some crackers for £750.
As you get to bigger screens, and I am talking over 40" here, the disadvantages of LCD tech start to get more obvious.
Crappy viewing angles, trying to get an even backlight, trying to get decent black levels etc. etc.
A few manage to do it well at 55" sizes, like the Sony XF93 and ZD9 etc. But they are the exception rather than the norm.
The Samsung Q9 is good too, but you are back at prices higher than OLED.
A £1400 LG C8 will be a better screen.
I'm not knocking all LCDs, I just picked up a 43" Philips PUS6753 from Amazon for £329 and it is stunning, and I have an OLED as my main display. The problem you have with LCD now is nearly everyone is using IPS panels, which were designed for wide viewing angles for electronic display boards or computer screens where you sit inches away from them.
They were not designed for decent TV screens, they can't do black properly and black is what makes the image look good.
A £700 LCD will not look as good as the best £2k LCD, having said that, a crap £2k LCD will look worse than a really good £700 one.
However, I would argue all OLEDs made so far beat all LCDs regardless of price point.
Anyway, that Sony you linked to uses an IPS panel and looks a washed out mess. Not worth £250 imho.
OLED is worth it over the best LCD.
If it were me I would get on avforums and buy a used 55" OLED. Can get some crackers for £750.
As you get to bigger screens, and I am talking over 40" here, the disadvantages of LCD tech start to get more obvious.
Crappy viewing angles, trying to get an even backlight, trying to get decent black levels etc. etc.
A few manage to do it well at 55" sizes, like the Sony XF93 and ZD9 etc. But they are the exception rather than the norm.
The Samsung Q9 is good too, but you are back at prices higher than OLED.
A £1400 LG C8 will be a better screen.
I'm not knocking all LCDs, I just picked up a 43" Philips PUS6753 from Amazon for £329 and it is stunning, and I have an OLED as my main display. The problem you have with LCD now is nearly everyone is using IPS panels, which were designed for wide viewing angles for electronic display boards or computer screens where you sit inches away from them.
They were not designed for decent TV screens, they can't do black properly and black is what makes the image look good.
Edited by gizlaroc on Thursday 22 November 23:36
Is LCD the same as led? Been looking at oled TVs and the cheapest start at over £1000. They aren't going to be coming down to £700 even with black Friday so I need to look at the best of the rest...
I'm not sure about spending £100s on a secondhand oled either. Why would anyone sell a decent one? I've bought a couple of Samsung TVs but they've been £60-100.
I'm not sure about spending £100s on a secondhand oled either. Why would anyone sell a decent one? I've bought a couple of Samsung TVs but they've been £60-100.
Samsung UE55NU8000 is considered to be one of the best mid-range 4K sets
https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue55nu8000-hdr-1...
Co-Op electrical i believe slightly cheaper (<£700) but no 5yr warranty.
https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue55nu8000-hdr-1...
Co-Op electrical i believe slightly cheaper (<£700) but no 5yr warranty.
marcg said:
Is LCD the same as led? Been looking at oled TVs and the cheapest start at over £1000. They aren't going to be coming down to £700 even with black Friday so I need to look at the best of the rest...
I'm not sure about spending £100s on a secondhand oled either. Why would anyone sell a decent one? I've bought a couple of Samsung TVs but they've been £60-100.
There are a few for sale as some upgrade to the latest model every year. I'm not sure about spending £100s on a secondhand oled either. Why would anyone sell a decent one? I've bought a couple of Samsung TVs but they've been £60-100.
Many come with 5 year warranty and still have 3 or 4 years left. Look on avforums classifieds.
If not, the Philips 50" 50PUS7303 was now down to £450 on Amazon. That would be my choice, or the 50" Samsung NU7400, now at £479.
Both VA panels.
If you can find a Sony 49XF9005 within budget that is worth the extra, but best I saw it was £780 a few weeks back. Not looked since.
VA panel, zoned dimming, Sony's tope end processing etc.
Any chance of a budget stretch?
https://prcdirect.co.uk/lg-oled55b7v-55-4k-ultra-h...
Essentially the same TV as the newer B8. Oled!
https://prcdirect.co.uk/lg-oled55b7v-55-4k-ultra-h...
Essentially the same TV as the newer B8. Oled!
Another vote for the Samsung Nu7800. £689 at Hughes.co.uk with the code BF60 too! If I didn’t have £200 of JL vouchers to use I’d be all over it.
The 7400 is significantly cheaper but it’s a gamble whether you get an IPS or VA panel unless you get the 50” which is apparently guaranteed to be a VA panel - that’s where the smart money is IMO. £479 at Argos at the moment. Not up there with 8000 but definitely not £210 worth of telly less either!
Both have low input lag for gaming if that’s your thing.
Rtings is a great source of information if you want more.
The 7400 is significantly cheaper but it’s a gamble whether you get an IPS or VA panel unless you get the 50” which is apparently guaranteed to be a VA panel - that’s where the smart money is IMO. £479 at Argos at the moment. Not up there with 8000 but definitely not £210 worth of telly less either!
Both have low input lag for gaming if that’s your thing.
Rtings is a great source of information if you want more.
I'm not sure the NU7400 is all that to be honest.
I bought the the 43" but it was IPS and went back, then managed to borrow a VA for the night, I had the Philips 43PUS6703 arriving same day too, so managed to spend the night with them both.
The Philips stayed and the Samsung went back.
The Philips had better blacks, brighter and handled dark scenes far, far better.
The overall image on the Philips looked pretty close to my OLED, the Samsung didn't get close, in the end I had to up the gamma and crush dark detail to get an image that was acceptable.
I'm really liking the Philips, bar a couple of niggles.
First one is there is no auto detection of film material, so if you use their motion processing for regular TV it doesn't switch the film processing when a film comes on, so you get the soap opera effect. So I have calibrated the Personal and Movie preset and manually switched, however that was annoying me so just turned the processing off now, but get some occasional judder.
I have ordered the 43PUS7303 as that has the P5 processor, which I am hoping should sort it. Plus it runs Android, so will have Plex, which is my other annoyance, this doesn't have it and we use it a fair bit.
I bought the the 43" but it was IPS and went back, then managed to borrow a VA for the night, I had the Philips 43PUS6703 arriving same day too, so managed to spend the night with them both.
The Philips stayed and the Samsung went back.
The Philips had better blacks, brighter and handled dark scenes far, far better.
The overall image on the Philips looked pretty close to my OLED, the Samsung didn't get close, in the end I had to up the gamma and crush dark detail to get an image that was acceptable.
I'm really liking the Philips, bar a couple of niggles.
First one is there is no auto detection of film material, so if you use their motion processing for regular TV it doesn't switch the film processing when a film comes on, so you get the soap opera effect. So I have calibrated the Personal and Movie preset and manually switched, however that was annoying me so just turned the processing off now, but get some occasional judder.
I have ordered the 43PUS7303 as that has the P5 processor, which I am hoping should sort it. Plus it runs Android, so will have Plex, which is my other annoyance, this doesn't have it and we use it a fair bit.
TedB86 said:
Samsung UE55NU8000 is considered to be one of the best mid-range 4K sets
https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue55nu8000-hdr-1...
Co-Op electrical i believe slightly cheaper (<£700) but no 5yr warranty.
Thanks all, this is looking good so far! Budget is pretty strict!https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue55nu8000-hdr-1...
Co-Op electrical i believe slightly cheaper (<£700) but no 5yr warranty.
Query... can buy a 4k tv, what makes a TV show from even just a few years ago look good on it? If the show was not recorded in HD (lets go for only fools and horses) and I get a 65 inch tv, is there anything that will make it look good or am I in for a shock?
I just saw an old episode of Morse being shown in John lewis on large 4k and it was bad, real bad.
I just saw an old episode of Morse being shown in John lewis on large 4k and it was bad, real bad.
Du1point8 said:
Query... can buy a 4k tv, what makes a TV show from even just a few years ago look good on it? If the show was not recorded in HD (lets go for only fools and horses) and I get a 65 inch tv, is there anything that will make it look good or am I in for a shock?
I just saw an old episode of Morse being shown in John lewis on large 4k and it was bad, real bad.
Short of a remaster I don’t think so. Early episodes of Only Fools and Horses on Netflix looks awful on our 2016 1080p HDTV and later ones looks alright, just grainy. I don’t think a 4K tv would do anything else to improve them. However Star Trek TNG remastered looks like it was filmed yesterday despite being the same age, maybe because it was filmed in HD and was able to be remastered (despite not selling well)I just saw an old episode of Morse being shown in John lewis on large 4k and it was bad, real bad.
I don’t know how shows like Only Fools or Morse was filmed but I don’t think it would be deemed worth it to remaster them, if possible. It must have always looked as bad, we have all adjusted to how good it is nowadays!
sparks_E46 said:
Du1point8 said:
Query... can buy a 4k tv, what makes a TV show from even just a few years ago look good on it? If the show was not recorded in HD (lets go for only fools and horses) and I get a 65 inch tv, is there anything that will make it look good or am I in for a shock?
I just saw an old episode of Morse being shown in John lewis on large 4k and it was bad, real bad.
Short of a remaster I don’t think so. Early episodes of Only Fools and Horses on Netflix looks awful on our 2016 1080p HDTV and later ones looks alright, just grainy. I don’t think a 4K tv would do anything else to improve them. However Star Trek TNG remastered looks like it was filmed yesterday despite being the same age, maybe because it was filmed in HD and was able to be remastered (despite not selling well)I just saw an old episode of Morse being shown in John lewis on large 4k and it was bad, real bad.
I don’t know how shows like Only Fools or Morse was filmed but I don’t think it would be deemed worth it to remaster them, if possible. It must have always looked as bad, we have all adjusted to how good it is nowadays!
let the thing (whatever) buffer for 30s - 1min and do some funky s
t that is not just a brighten and contrast settings.That is half of what a decent processor/scaler does.
However, you have to remember these shows were on tape with a 576i resolution, so only ever 288 lines of info on screen at any one time. There are 2160 lines on screen on a 4k image, which is 7.5x more.
To put that into perspective you would need a screen that is less than 9" diagonal showing a 576i pal image to get it looking as sharp as the 65" showing 4k.
Blowing the image to 2160 lines and the fact it is a pixel based display will always look a bit pants.
However, you have to remember these shows were on tape with a 576i resolution, so only ever 288 lines of info on screen at any one time. There are 2160 lines on screen on a 4k image, which is 7.5x more.
To put that into perspective you would need a screen that is less than 9" diagonal showing a 576i pal image to get it looking as sharp as the 65" showing 4k.
Blowing the image to 2160 lines and the fact it is a pixel based display will always look a bit pants.
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