HDMI Cables (Sorry!)
Discussion
So I have a nice new projector that can handle 4K UHD and last night worked out I need around a 10 meter run of HDMI cable from my AV receiver to it.
As per usual information on the Internet is patchy and the sort of consensus is around 7.5m max for UHD. Whilst I fully appreciate it's a digital signal and all that needs to happen is for the 1s and 0s to get from one end to the other but I also appreciate that UHD is a pretty high bandwidth / fast clock speed signal and therefore presents its own set of issues. I also don't want to spend £££ on a cable because I can't see that having individually polished wires
will make much difference to whether it will work or not.
Thinking to buy a "budget" 10m cable that claims to meet the specs and see if it works, but if it doesn't what are the alternatives and can anyone say they've used one of them successfully? There's HDMI over CAT5/6 which isn't particularly cheap. I notice there are now also fibre optic converters which aren't too extortionate, have the added bonus of it being a thin "cable" to run, but no idea if they're any good. Example: https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/hdmi-cables-adapters/...
Also do the converters add much delay to the signal? Last thing I want is the picture way out of sync with the sound.
As per usual information on the Internet is patchy and the sort of consensus is around 7.5m max for UHD. Whilst I fully appreciate it's a digital signal and all that needs to happen is for the 1s and 0s to get from one end to the other but I also appreciate that UHD is a pretty high bandwidth / fast clock speed signal and therefore presents its own set of issues. I also don't want to spend £££ on a cable because I can't see that having individually polished wires
will make much difference to whether it will work or not.Thinking to buy a "budget" 10m cable that claims to meet the specs and see if it works, but if it doesn't what are the alternatives and can anyone say they've used one of them successfully? There's HDMI over CAT5/6 which isn't particularly cheap. I notice there are now also fibre optic converters which aren't too extortionate, have the added bonus of it being a thin "cable" to run, but no idea if they're any good. Example: https://www.kenable.co.uk/en/hdmi-cables-adapters/...
Also do the converters add much delay to the signal? Last thing I want is the picture way out of sync with the sound.
Just buy a cable from Amazon. Test it. If it doesn't work, refund, next pricer one, and retry. Easiest way untill someone comes along with experience. I use a flat 10m HDMI to my PJ but it's only 1080p.
Your PJ will always be out of sync with the audio and you then have to use your AV amplifier (or TV if you don't use an amp) to adjust the delay (sync). IN my experience, all PJs I've used need a good 40-100ms of audio delay to get things synced up.
Your PJ will always be out of sync with the audio and you then have to use your AV amplifier (or TV if you don't use an amp) to adjust the delay (sync). IN my experience, all PJs I've used need a good 40-100ms of audio delay to get things synced up.
Look for fibre-optic HDMI cables if you are going over a few metres.
I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
karma mechanic said:
Look for fibre-optic HDMI cables if you are going over a few metres.
I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
Fibre optic HDMI. How does that work then?....I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
normalbloke said:
karma mechanic said:
Look for fibre-optic HDMI cables if you are going over a few metres.
I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
Fibre optic HDMI. How does that work then?....I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
Mr Pointy said:
normalbloke said:
karma mechanic said:
Look for fibre-optic HDMI cables if you are going over a few metres.
I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
Fibre optic HDMI. How does that work then?....I bought this one recently, works perfectly with 4K 12-bit, HDR, etc. into an Epson 9400.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07L2YGG68/ref...
The price has been lower and higher than that.
That distance is not a problem for HDMI but you do need to spend decent money. A cheap one from Amazon might work in the short term but may well fall apart after a few months.
Get a decent quality branded one and you will be fine. You are looking for a 18gps / fast ethernet version. Dont go down the route of fibre or extenders - they are just adding confusion to the mix and should be more expensive than a cable*
Get a decent quality branded one and you will be fine. You are looking for a 18gps / fast ethernet version. Dont go down the route of fibre or extenders - they are just adding confusion to the mix and should be more expensive than a cable*
- if they aren't more expensive then they will be crap anyway.
If the cable is likely to be built into the house/plasterboarded over then run a few CAT6 as well. I did, which was a life saver when the long HDMi cable i had successfully used for a couple of years created interference when I upgraded my TV to 4K. Would have been a horrendous job dismantling two new decorated rooms, and lifting a carpet to get a new cable run in.
Thanks folks.
I ordered one off Amazon (£13) that claims to be up to the job and the reviews suggest so. If that's crap I might look to the fibre jobs as the one linked seems to suggest it's okay from the reviews. In the world of HDMI cables I'm not a big believer in something being better just because it's "branded" (especially if sold by Currys!).
Nothing is going to get buried anytime soon. Only option would be to take stuff through the ceiling but having the floorboards up upstairs is not happening so it will be going in some carefully placed D-Line trunking for the foreseeable. The PJ has an Ethernet interface, not entirely sure what purpose it serves yet but it seems to be more for home automation than anything else and maybe firmware upgardes but I'll probably run a CAT6 to it anyway along with the HDMI anyway.
I ordered one off Amazon (£13) that claims to be up to the job and the reviews suggest so. If that's crap I might look to the fibre jobs as the one linked seems to suggest it's okay from the reviews. In the world of HDMI cables I'm not a big believer in something being better just because it's "branded" (especially if sold by Currys!).
Nothing is going to get buried anytime soon. Only option would be to take stuff through the ceiling but having the floorboards up upstairs is not happening so it will be going in some carefully placed D-Line trunking for the foreseeable. The PJ has an Ethernet interface, not entirely sure what purpose it serves yet but it seems to be more for home automation than anything else and maybe firmware upgardes but I'll probably run a CAT6 to it anyway along with the HDMI anyway.
Hopefully everything in your connection plan has 4k capability? What 4k will you be using as a source?
If passive copper works when you plug it in with all 4k bells and whistles running, then it works, doesn't matter if it is a £3 cable or a £1000 cable (providing construction is well enough). But 10 meters is past the end of where they can get passive Premium High Speed (full fat 4k) to work as I understand it?? Correctly certified cable will have a q code to check with an app. Non certified will work as well if it is good enough (at the lower distances). Or not.
Just make sure the returns policy is good with whoever. Amazon is full of rubbish claims, fake and paid reviews and cables are mis labelled HDMI 2.0 etc.
https://hdmi.org/resource/cables
Not had to deal with a home fibre option but I hear Ruipro is often recommended.
If passive copper works when you plug it in with all 4k bells and whistles running, then it works, doesn't matter if it is a £3 cable or a £1000 cable (providing construction is well enough). But 10 meters is past the end of where they can get passive Premium High Speed (full fat 4k) to work as I understand it?? Correctly certified cable will have a q code to check with an app. Non certified will work as well if it is good enough (at the lower distances). Or not.
Just make sure the returns policy is good with whoever. Amazon is full of rubbish claims, fake and paid reviews and cables are mis labelled HDMI 2.0 etc.
https://hdmi.org/resource/cables
Not had to deal with a home fibre option but I hear Ruipro is often recommended.
Zirconia said:
Hopefully everything in your connection plan has 4k capability? What 4k will you be using as a source?
If passive copper works when you plug it in with all 4k bells and whistles running, then it works, doesn't matter if it is a £3 cable or a £1000 cable (providing construction is well enough). But 10 meters is past the end of where they can get passive Premium High Speed (full fat 4k) to work as I understand it?? Correctly certified cable will have a q code to check with an app. Non certified will work as well if it is good enough (at the lower distances). Or not.
Just make sure the returns policy is good with whoever. Amazon is full of rubbish claims, fake and paid reviews and cables are mis labelled HDMI 2.0 etc.
https://hdmi.org/resource/cables
Not had to deal with a home fibre option but I hear Ruipro is often recommended.
Well yeah, all 4k of course... of sorts.... The project is actually faux-K, an Optoma UHD51 but it can take a 4k source and do something with it that is approaching 4k resolution.If passive copper works when you plug it in with all 4k bells and whistles running, then it works, doesn't matter if it is a £3 cable or a £1000 cable (providing construction is well enough). But 10 meters is past the end of where they can get passive Premium High Speed (full fat 4k) to work as I understand it?? Correctly certified cable will have a q code to check with an app. Non certified will work as well if it is good enough (at the lower distances). Or not.
Just make sure the returns policy is good with whoever. Amazon is full of rubbish claims, fake and paid reviews and cables are mis labelled HDMI 2.0 etc.
https://hdmi.org/resource/cables
Not had to deal with a home fibre option but I hear Ruipro is often recommended.
For the rest of the signal path, sources are a Sony UHD Blu-ray player, some sort of Android box probably an Nvidia Shield, and if my son gets his way our PS4 Pro. All will be plugged into a Sony AV receiver supporting 4k on all it's HDMI inputs.
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