Smart TV's with missing apps
Smart TV's with missing apps
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RobbieTheTruth

Original Poster:

2,817 posts

142 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Hello all,

I bought an LG TV a few years ago that doesn't have 4oD and ITV Player.

Is this still a problem with Smart TV's in general?

If so, are there any brands to get/avoid?

I'm interested in the Sharp TVs in Tesco but would like all the aps.

Robotron-2084

480 posts

72 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Get a Firestick, far better than dedicated tv apps.

MiniMan64

18,876 posts

213 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Can’t you download them?

heisthegaffer

4,110 posts

221 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Isn't there licencing problems so it's rare to get all of them o. One TV?

Either way get a separate box like a Fires tick as suggested. Much better, quicker and better support. My Panasonic TV had Netflix built in and after 6 months it stopped loading.

I personally have a couple of Roku express devices as they have Netflix, amazon, now TV plus all the terrestrial catch up services, Spotify, you tube, a media player for my NAS. Plus loads of other channels should I ever wish to watch old b & w movies!

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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It was a licensing issue and Samsung managed to come out on top at the time, best advice is get a fire stick if you have an HDMI port on the TV.

MiniMan64

18,876 posts

213 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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gottans said:
It was a licensing issue and Samsung managed to come out on top at the time, best advice is get a fire stick if you have an HDMI port on the TV.
I have an LG TV and they’ve got everything on them no problem?

CzechItOut

2,156 posts

214 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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I've got an LG TV with webOS and it has All 4 and ITV Hub.

As others have said, many apps come preinstalled, but there is also an LG Content Store where numerous others can be downloaded.

Carbon Sasquatch

5,147 posts

87 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Depends how old the TV is.....

I have a brand new one & it has AppleTV+ on it - and another that's barely a year old that doesn't and I can't download it. Both LG OLED.

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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MiniMan64 said:
gottans said:
It was a licensing issue and Samsung managed to come out on top at the time, best advice is get a fire stick if you have an HDMI port on the TV.
I have an LG TV and they’ve got everything on them no problem?
My bad, yes it was LG as I remember buying a disc player that had all the catch-up apps but hated it and sold it a few weeks later.

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Be careful buying a JVC or anything from Currys. I emailed JVC and asked why no 'Prime' app.
"Nowt do do with us guv, ask the 'don't know anything team' at Currys" rolleyes

Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

90 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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speedyguy said:
Be careful buying a JVC or anything from Currys. I emailed JVC and asked why no 'Prime' app.
"Nowt do do with us guv, ask the 'don't know anything team' at Currys" rolleyes
TBF its down to the individual content providers as to what apps are available or how well they work.

Client of mine only a couple of years ago had a brand new Samsung tv on which the only app that really worked well enough to watch anything was BBC iplayer.

The problem (as I understand, correct me if wrong) is the different manufacturers have differences in their operating systems for which apps need customising and debugging, sometimes even at model level. It just doesn't happen. The guy who said stuff a fire stick in it was the best answer, or any other very popular hence well supported device. Even many of the more upmarket, expensive and feature laden web TV boxes you could make the mistake of purchasing lack the basic support that cheap and ubiquitous devices do.

Mr Pointy

12,841 posts

182 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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It's a complicated situation which not involves commercial agreements but also technical issues around updating of software. There's an article here which discusses the impact of expiring Root Certificates on streaming services:

https://www.theregister.com/2020/06/10/iot_trouble...

I'd agree with the view that you buy a TV for the best display & then use an external device for streaming & another one for recording. Just use the TV to show the picture.

Carbon Sasquatch

5,147 posts

87 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Mr Pointy said:
I'd agree with the view that you buy a TV for the best display & then use an external device for streaming & another one for recording. Just use the TV to show the picture.
Depends on the TV - I bought an LG OLED & it comes with Apple, Netflix & Prime which is all I need. I don't record anything.

My wife has a FreeSat box full of crap on hers.

We both have separate dolby amps & speakers - We have a room each & go visiting depending on what mood we are in smile

Adrian E

3,337 posts

199 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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It even varies on LG screens from one year to the next - they messed up the licencing side for the 2020 model range, so our new OLED48CX has none of the FTA catch up services (and depending on what you believe they may or may not be added later). Buy a 2019 set from LG and they have the majority of them.

I had similar issues posted above with a Panasonic plasma where Skype and Netflix quickly became redundant due to lack of updates from Panasonic. It became a dumb TV within a year!

I just use the Sky Q catch up apps when I want to watch something. Netflix native app on the LG set seems to work well though.

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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Teddy Lop said:
speedyguy said:
Be careful buying a JVC or anything from Currys. I emailed JVC and asked why no 'Prime' app.
"Nowt do do with us guv, ask the 'don't know anything team' at Currys" rolleyes
TBF its down to the individual content providers as to what apps are available or how well they work.

Client of mine only a couple of years ago had a brand new Samsung tv on which the only app that really worked well enough to watch anything was BBC iplayer.

The problem (as I understand, correct me if wrong) is the different manufacturers have differences in their operating systems for which apps need customising and debugging, sometimes even at model level. It just doesn't happen. The guy who said stuff a fire stick in it was the best answer, or any other very popular hence well supported device. Even many of the more upmarket, expensive and feature laden web TV boxes you could make the mistake of purchasing lack the basic support that cheap and ubiquitous devices do.
Point taken thumbup
Always a concern nowadays with stuff like Sonos, printer 'cartridges', TVs like above that they can be 'bricked' at the whim of the manufacturer mad

LunarOne

6,939 posts

160 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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I have a couple of old Roku 3 devices. They must be 7 or 8 years old now and still work perfectly with every service. I note that some new TVs are being released with Roku built-in. NowTV devices are basically software limited Roku devices made so that users can't download apps that compete with Sky services. You can also cast Youtube in the same way as with a Chromecast device, and mirror the screen of your android device. I don't know whether either of my TV's built-in services still work but I doubt it as they date to around 2010.

anonymous-user

77 months

Saturday 20th June 2020
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speedyguy said:
Teddy Lop said:
speedyguy said:
Be careful buying a JVC or anything from Currys. I emailed JVC and asked why no 'Prime' app.
"Nowt do do with us guv, ask the 'don't know anything team' at Currys" rolleyes
TBF its down to the individual content providers as to what apps are available or how well they work.

Client of mine only a couple of years ago had a brand new Samsung tv on which the only app that really worked well enough to watch anything was BBC iplayer.

The problem (as I understand, correct me if wrong) is the different manufacturers have differences in their operating systems for which apps need customising and debugging, sometimes even at model level. It just doesn't happen. The guy who said stuff a fire stick in it was the best answer, or any other very popular hence well supported device. Even many of the more upmarket, expensive and feature laden web TV boxes you could make the mistake of purchasing lack the basic support that cheap and ubiquitous devices do.
Point taken thumbup
Always a concern nowadays with stuff like Sonos, printer 'cartridges', TVs like above that they can be 'bricked' at the whim of the manufacturer mad
Currys are in my experience so useless these days it really isn't worth asking a question in the first place.

As for 'bricking' products at the manufacturers whim, Sonos are sort of guilty of this in the public eye but in reality they reached a dead end with their existing hardware and promptly handled it very badly and shat on all their existing customers. If anything it is reflection of how fast technology is developing that when you create a piece of hardware it has a pretty short useable life span. Everyone wants the latest whiz-bang feature or service but sometimes the old kit just cannot do what you want and needs to be replaced.

98elise

31,437 posts

184 months

Sunday 21st June 2020
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Robotron-2084 said:
Get a Firestick, far better than dedicated tv apps.
This, or Chromecast etc.

We have a decent Samsung Smart TV but I've still stuck a Chromecast in the back because it's way better than the TV apps.

Carbon Sasquatch

5,147 posts

87 months

Sunday 21st June 2020
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98elise said:
Robotron-2084 said:
Get a Firestick, far better than dedicated tv apps.
This, or Chromecast etc.

We have a decent Samsung Smart TV but I've still stuck a Chromecast in the back because it's way better than the TV apps.
In what way ?

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing out on.....

Mr Pointy

12,841 posts

182 months

Sunday 21st June 2020
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Carbon Sasquatch said:
98elise said:
Robotron-2084 said:
Get a Firestick, far better than dedicated tv apps.
This, or Chromecast etc.

We have a decent Samsung Smart TV but I've still stuck a Chromecast in the back because it's way better than the TV apps.
In what way ?

I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing out on.....
I have a Sony XF9005 & while it has most of the streaming apps I do find the Android TV interface implementation very slow & quite annoying to use. It's ok for occasional use but I'm looking for something that's much more responsive.