Never mind buying platinum core cables, you need THIS!
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it is in fact a wonderfull service, if you send them a 50p scart lead they will burn it up to the quality of a 75p scart lead. Absolutly wonderfull, i dont know how people can buy such as device as say for example a fridge freezer and NOT have the mains lead burnt in!! My life is now complete 
Famous Graham said:
That is a fantastic idea for relieving idiots of their money
OK...
I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
JustinP1 said:
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
This is quite true. The very same thing happened when I split up with my ex.In this case the physical properties of the cable appeared to have been altered by a pair of scissors!
JustinP1 said:
OK...
I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
I agree that there can be a change in the properties of a cable over time but I refuse to believe that anyone could tell the difference. Purely a placebo effect by people who want to say they have the best possible set up for willy waving rather than anything useful.I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
JeremyH said:
JustinP1 said:
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
This is quite true. The very same thing happened when I split up with my ex.In this case the physical properties of the cable appeared to have been altered by a pair of scissors!
JustinP1 said:
OK...
I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
Slight difference though as the effect you're describing above has been subject to extensive peer review, has vast quantities of independently collated scientific research that proves it works.I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
Now if Nordost could show before and after results, explain in clear terms why the after is "better" and then have their results reviewed by a peer group then just maybe I'd be convinced but at the moment it's on the same level as balsa wood volume controls, solid conductor mains wiring blah blah.
I only skimmed it the first time but it gets worse when you read the waffle on the page, paragraph 2 under Cable burn-in overview indicates that actually you should take advantage of their service on a regular basis because...
"In normal use, there is a leakage current from electrical equipment which causes the cable to take on a charge; cable conditoning will neutralize this charge."
So will Nordost shortly launch VIDAR2 H/E (Home Edition)?
I'm sorry but the whole page reeks of the same pseudo-science that the average anti-ageing commercial does and is designed to do the same thing; relieve people of their money...
"In normal use, there is a leakage current from electrical equipment which causes the cable to take on a charge; cable conditoning will neutralize this charge."
So will Nordost shortly launch VIDAR2 H/E (Home Edition)?
I'm sorry but the whole page reeks of the same pseudo-science that the average anti-ageing commercial does and is designed to do the same thing; relieve people of their money...
What these, er, products (?) fail to take into account is the good old human ear that varies so much from person to person. Or have I missed something?
Even if there is a noticeable difference, proof of which I would like to see on paper along with the science and what the box of tricks does, is it worth the effort over, say, a bit of 5 amp flex?......... better get me burnt in nuke proof suit on......
Even if there is a noticeable difference, proof of which I would like to see on paper along with the science and what the box of tricks does, is it worth the effort over, say, a bit of 5 amp flex?......... better get me burnt in nuke proof suit on......
Would I do it , no. Does it work , yes. Can I explain it no, can I hear the difference on a decent system yes. Peer review , no problem it is not hard to get figures that match the effectiveness of drugs , and without the side effects
Biggest difference you can make to a decent hi-Fi system is sort the mains !
BTW not by buying the very expensive Nordost kit, a simple isolation transformer is a starting point , before the slippery slope ..........
Biggest difference you can make to a decent hi-Fi system is sort the mains !
BTW not by buying the very expensive Nordost kit, a simple isolation transformer is a starting point , before the slippery slope ..........
GnuBee said:
JustinP1 said:
OK...
I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
Slight difference though as the effect you're describing above has been subject to extensive peer review, has vast quantities of independently collated scientific research that proves it works.I'll stand up against the 5 posters who ridicule that such a possibility could exist, and ask them to consider this:
When you get ill, what is actually happening it tiny things that are invisible to the naked eye are traveling around inside your body and duplicating themselves where thousands and millions of copies can be made in just an hour.
Tell you what... I have a new tablet made from stuff I grew up from a fungus.
It will kill the invisible things and make you feel better. Promise.
Is that more or less likely than the physical properties of a metallic cable may change over time and there is a machine which can make this happen more rapidly?
Now if Nordost could show before and after results, explain in clear terms why the after is "better" and then have their results reviewed by a peer group then just maybe I'd be convinced but at the moment it's on the same level as balsa wood volume controls, solid conductor mains wiring blah blah.
But, when a concept is understood then it all of a sudden becomes feasible.
For example, more up to date and back to the context we are looking at, if I told you that in the speaker cable not only does the current down it interact with the cable housing and there is a definite probability that at any one time electrons are actually appearing *outside* the cable - you might tell me I was crackers.
However, quantum tunneling has not only been shown to be theoretically there, but it has even been photographed.
There is a lot the layman doesn't know about what actually happens when electricity flows in a wire. To dismiss any of it as mumbo jumbo without testing just shows ignorance.
I am not saying that any such changes to a cable would make a difference in a £300 home AV system. However, you probably wouldn't even notice if the cables themselves have been changed. But, if you look at say a £30,000 system even logic would dictate that £3 a metre cable from Maplins may not be as good as a higher spec one and the result could be easily heard.
Could the effects of 'burning-in' on a £500 or £1000 cable in a £30,000 system also be audible - I would say that is entirely possible, but I would like to hear it for myself in a fair ABX test.
JustinP1 said:
My point is it is easy to ridicule something when you don't understand the concepts. What would have happened when the theory of antibiotics was explained at the time to those with no understanding?
A colleague of mine deals with high-end audio manufacturers and they think it's hilarious that people will pay extra for burned in cables.Have you seen Nordost's £18K mains lead: http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Pow...
Deva Link said:
JustinP1 said:
My point is it is easy to ridicule something when you don't understand the concepts. What would have happened when the theory of antibiotics was explained at the time to those with no understanding?
A colleague of mine deals with high-end audio manufacturers and they think it's hilarious that people will pay extra for burned in cables.Have you seen Nordost's £18K mains lead: http://www.highendcable.co.uk/Nordost%20ODIN%20Pow...
Doctors of a couple of hundred years ago thought that the body was governed by 'humours' and the best way to cure diseases was through bleeding.
I am sure if someone explained to them about bacteria and viruses and what they look like and what they do they would have got laughed out of town.
I am not saying a £18k mains lead it a great investment. But I myself have heard the differences mains conditioning can have on the sound of a high end system. I was a total sceptic as I am against all forms of 'snake-oil', quackery, mumbo jumbo etc, but as well as the overall obvious subjective change I went back and did an AB test to check and indeed the frequency response from the kit had clearly changed and this could be measured quite audibly by testing particular frequencies.
The effect is real, but is an £18k mains lead 'worth it'? For me personally, there is many things I could change in my hi-fi which would have much more effect for that kind of money.
To most people a £1m Veyron won't get them to work any differently from their Fiesta. But there is a difference to some.
Sorry but I need to see (hear) some verifiable differences to be able to part with cash, if I had it. I would be interested in any double blind tests that may have been done and as I have previously said, bit of scientific info? The human ear is fickle and the brain working it even more so. MP3 works for a reason. Maybe burning does affect a cable but is evolution actually able to make any sense of it?
And I would ask why do I need to buy a mains conditioner on a high end system? Why is the mains supply (bit in the box not the stuff out of the wall) not good enough or are the designers being lax? Bit like the first transformer I built, worked OK but buzzed like heck as I had not bound the laminated core properly.
And I would ask why do I need to buy a mains conditioner on a high end system? Why is the mains supply (bit in the box not the stuff out of the wall) not good enough or are the designers being lax? Bit like the first transformer I built, worked OK but buzzed like heck as I had not bound the laminated core properly.
JustinP1 said:
There is a lot the layman doesn't know about what actually happens when electricity flows in a wire. To dismiss any of it as mumbo jumbo without testing just shows ignorance.
But that's what I suggested i.e. show me proper testing in other words a/b with quantifiable results, peer reviewed and then I'd pay the money but the page reads like pseudo science and contains no actual data.Show me an overlay of 2 complex waveforms passing through the cables before and after, show me the changes, tell me why the after is "better", have those results corroborated by a 3rd party and then you're getting somewhere near science otherwise for all the fancy copy, and almost science sounding seak all I'm reading is marketing rhetoric.
I'm not dismissing out of hand through "ignorance" or just being a "layman" - I'm merely applying some commonsense and saying "show me the proof" ... please.
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