Denon AVR 1910

[Weslake-Monza]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 26 September 2012 at 17:30

[OldSkoolRS]

You probably need to set the Denon so that the fronts are 'large' and 'no sub' in the setup menu. However it's a while since I owned a Denon so I can't remember which menu exactly. You might not get the full effect of the bass, but at least it won't just disappear as it would if you just remove the sub from the current setup.

However, as you've had it repaired are you sure it's not the amp (or the cable) at fault here? Have you got access to another sub you could borrow from a friend perhaps?

EDIT: Had a quick look at the manual online and it looks like you'll have to run the auto setup routine with the sub removed for the amp to detect that there is no sub.

Edited by OldSkoolRS on Tuesday 21st December 19:59

[Gingerbread Man]

I've got a sub coming for crimbo, till then I have a 5.0 setup. I've run the Audyssey setup with the microphone and it set's it all up happily.

This might help as well - http://batpigworld.com/

[TEKNOPUG]

If it's the same GUI as the 2310, you can go into Audio Settings and deselect/select the sub manually.

[Gingerbread Man]

Weslake-Monza said:

The Denon 1910 failed not long after I had it all setup and working very nicely. I suspect it also killed my Kef subwoofer. To cut a long story short I can say that I now have a replacement (under guarantee) Denon 1911 and since it's a lot different from the 1910 I'm back to where I was in the first place. I am however, a lot wiser and as soon as I have some spare time I'll be getting my floor standers set up again.

How does it compare to the 1910? I asked in Richer Sounds about it, and they didn't seem to rate as highly due to not having many connections on the back as they'd had to save money to make room for 3D tech?

[Daggerpie]

Gingerbread Man said:

How does it compare to the 1910? I asked in Richer Sounds about it, and they didn't seem to rate as highly due to not having many connections on the back as they'd had to save money to make room for 3D tech?

I'm also in the process of buying all my new gear (3D TV, receiver, Blu-ray, speakers etc..) and have heard very good things about the 1911's sound quality for surround sound AND Hi-fi compared to others in similar price range. On the down side, have also heard about lack of connections and a bit dated styling and controller wise. Shame as I really fancy a Denon, will prob go Onkyo or Sony if the rear connections not suitable tho.

[TEKNOPUG]

Richer Sounds are good for buying products once you've decided what you want but I wouldn't bother with trying to get advice from them in the first instance.

Have a look on the Denon website to compare all the models:

http://denon.co.uk/uk/product/pages/ProductLanding...

The 1910 is listed in the "discontinued models" section at the bottom.

I was in a similar position a few months back. The 1911 offers 3D video connectivity but that seemed to be the only thing that was really an update over the 1910. In the end I got a 2310, which is a whole level up above the 19 range (13, 16, 19, 23, 33, 43 are the ranges, followed by the year; so 1910 is a 19 series 2010 model, 1911 2011 model, 2310 23 series 2010 etc). It doesn't have a USB port and doesn't do 3D but I don't have or plan to get a 3D telly anytime soon. At the time, because it was an end of range model, I got it for slightly less than a new 1911 but it's superior model in every way, with the aforementioned exceptions.

Worth having a look to see if you can find any similar higher spec/range 2010 models for lower spec 2011 prices.

Also, with regards to connectivity, decide what you actually require rather than playing top trumps between the models. DO you really need a whole load of component, audio and video connections or do you have every thing out-putting via HDMI? If you do want to run 2-channel hi-fi then the 2010 models (1910/2310) maybe better as you can bi-amp the speakers (as I have done with my 2310 and B&W 685's) which you can't do with the 1911's.


edit: actually, I think that you can still bi-amp with the 2011 models but they don't have a dedicated 2-channel speaker output.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Tuesday 8th February 11:58

[TEKNOPUG]

Daggerpie said:

I'm also in the process of buying all my new gear (3D TV, receiver, Blu-ray, speakers etc..) and have heard very good things about the 1911's sound quality for surround sound AND Hi-fi compared to others in similar price range. On the down side, have also heard about lack of connections and a bit dated styling and controller wise. Shame as I really fancy a Denon, will prob go Onkyo or Sony if the rear connections not suitable tho.

What's your budget?

[Daggerpie]

TEKNOPUG said:

Also, with regards to connectivity, decide what you actually require rather than playing top trumps between the models. DO you really need a whole load of component, audio and video connections or do you have every thing out-putting via HDMI? If you do want to run 2-channel hi-fi then the 2010 models (1910/2310) maybe better as you can bi-amp the speakers (as I have done with my 2310 and B&W 685's) which you can't do with the 1911's.

edit: actually, I think that you can still bi-amp with the 2011 models but they don't have a dedicated 2-channel speaker output.

Edited by TEKNOPUG on Tuesday 8th February 11:58

Thanks, useful advice!

Im thinking of hooking up either a Sony or Panasonic 3D TV (im not fussed on 3D,buts its the Mrs's choice..)
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-lx-series/kdl-40...
http://www.panasonic.com/3d/full-hd-3d-home-theate...

Q Acoustics 2000 speaker package
http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/2000/2000-cinema.htm

Sony BDP-S 570 (or 470) 3D ready Blu Ray player
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/blu-ray-disc-player/...

Do you think the 1911 would be suitable Reciever for this little lot?

[TEKNOPUG]

Daggerpie said:

Thanks, useful advice!

Im thinking of hooking up either a Sony or Panasonic 3D TV (im not fussed on 3D,buts its the Mrs's choice..)
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t32-lx-series/kdl-40...
http://www.panasonic.com/3d/full-hd-3d-home-theate...

Q Acoustics 2000 speaker package
http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/2000/2000-cinema.htm

Sony BDP-S 570 (or 470) 3D ready Blu Ray player
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/blu-ray-disc-player/...

Do you think the 1911 would be suitable Reciever for this little lot?

I have the Sony 570 - great Blu Ray player!

I would say that you're not budgeting enough for the AV receiver to match the rest of your system. Those tellys are easily £1k+ and the speakers are about £600 worth yet you are only looking to spend £300 on the AV receiver. Give that the TV and Speakers will all be driven by the receiver, you should probably be looking to spend more on a better quality item.

So I'd be looking at least at the Denon 2311 and probably another level up to the 3311. There are of course other brands that make suitable receivers in the £400-£600 market. Depends what you budget is really but I think that you should be looking to spend maybe 50% of the TV price on a receiver. You need to look at the whole package and try and strike the best balance. The TV and speakers will only ever be as good as the source that you feed them, so the whole package will only be as good as the weakest component.

The 1911 will do the job but there is probably a better option and balance to be struck given that your set up will be north of £2k.

[Daggerpie]

TEKNOPUG said:

I have the Sony 570 - great Blu Ray player!

I would say that you're not budgeting enough for the AV receiver to match the rest of your system. Those tellys are easily £1k+ and the speakers are about £600 worth yet you are only looking to spend £300 on the AV receiver. Give that the TV and Speakers will all be driven by the receiver, you should probably be looking to spend more on a better quality item.

So I'd be looking at least at the Denon 2311 and probably another level up to the 3311. There are of course other brands that make suitable receivers in the £400-£600 market. Depends what you budget is really but I think that you should be looking to spend maybe 50% of the TV price on a receiver. You need to look at the whole package and try and strike the best balance. The TV and speakers will only ever be as good as the source that you feed them, so the whole package will only be as good as the weakest component.

The 1911 will do the job but there is probably a better option and balance to be struck given that your set up will be north of £2k.

Yes, you are probably right, I had about a £1k budget in mind for the equipment (obviously TV extra) so i may have to save up the extra pennies for suitable reciver or even downgrade my speaker choice to suit the £1k budget. If the wife finds out I've spend much more than that, I'll be right in the doghouse..

[TEKNOPUG]

Daggerpie said:

Yes, you are probably right, I had about a £1k budget in mind for the equipment (obviously TV extra) so i may have to save up the extra pennies for suitable reciver or even downgrade my speaker choice to suit the £1k budget. If the wife finds out I've spend much more than that, I'll be right in the doghouse..

Do you have a 5.1 system at the moment?

[Daggerpie]

No, its for my new place so im totally kitting it out from scratch. Need to get everything sorted within the next month tho.

Carpets only laid yesterday so only actual purchase towards it so far is the Van Damme speaker cable which I had buried,reader for speakers/sub etc. It will be 5.1 tho.

The wife wants the 3D TV,obviously with suitable surround sound and I want to tie it in with a quality system for listening to my music also.

Edited by Daggerpie on Wednesday 9th February 12:44

[TEKNOPUG]

Daggerpie said:

No, its for my new place so im totally kitting it out from scratch. Need to get everything sorted within the next month tho.

Carpets only laid yesterday so only actual purchase towards it so far is the Van Damme speaker cable which I had buried,reader for speakers/sub etc. It will be 5.1 tho.

The wife wants the 3D TV,obviously with suitable surround sound and I want to tie it in with a quality system for listening to my music also.

Edited by Daggerpie on Wednesday 9th February 12:44

Music via an AV Receiver will always be a compromise. A basic stereo amp will generally produce music better than an AV amp costing twice as much. Just something to bear in. Might be worth getting some demos of set ups before parting with your folding. Also, speakers specifically designed for 5.1 cinema are not going to produce as good music as a pair of dedicated stereo speakers.

What I was going to suggest was maybe build up the 5.1 speaker system in stages. For example, you could ultimately go for something like the B&W 685 Theatre Speaker system http://www.whathifi.com/Review/BandW-685-Theatre/ but it's considerably north of £1k in a single hit. So you could consider just getting the 685's seperately first of all http://www.whathifi.com/Review/BandW-685/ and then add the remaining speakers when funds allow.

If you are intent on getting the whole system in one go, then it's definitely worth visit a retailer that has demo rooms and explaining your requirements and budget to them, so that you can have a listen to various options first.

[Daggerpie]

TEKNOPUG said:

Music via an AV Receiver will always be a compromise. A basic stereo amp will generally produce music better than an AV amp costing twice as much. Just something to bear in. Might be worth getting some demos of set ups before parting with your folding. Also, speakers specifically designed for 5.1 cinema are not going to produce as good music as a pair of dedicated stereo speakers.

What I was going to suggest was maybe build up the 5.1 speaker system in stages. For example, you could ultimately go for something like the B&W 685 Theatre Speaker system http://www.whathifi.com/Review/BandW-685-Theatre/ but it's considerably north of £1k in a single hit. So you could consider just getting the 685's seperately first of all http://www.whathifi.com/Review/BandW-685/ and then add the remaining speakers when funds allow.

If you are intent on getting the whole system in one go, then it's definitely worth visit a retailer that has demo rooms and explaining your requirements and budget to them, so that you can have a listen to various options first.

Thanks for your advice buddy, I was only reading about those gorgeous 685's in What Hifi the other day actually.

I think I'll follow your advice and may do it over a few months (or at least get some demo's in before hand) at least we'll have the TV in place ready to move in. There again, final decision on what 3D TV to go for is proving a real PITA (what with new models imminent),thats another story tho..