B&W CCM7.4 in ceiling speakers
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You should be able to get them from your local B&W dealer, there is a find a dealer link on the B&W website www.bowers-wilkins.co.uk
hope this helps john
hope this helps john
Don't deal with B&W but could suggest some alternatives. If you're using those for in ceiling surrounds you could probably find some better rears such as the Triad Bronze Surround for similar money. They'll be good for front LCR duties but will be quite directional.
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwb4sur.html
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwb4sur.html
I've used them in ceiling many times (their naming convention is very odd at times - no idea why these are called in-wall!) and they work fantastically.
The UK list price of that particular model is £1250 a pair and the Silver version is £1700, but I'm sure I could do a PH rate if pushed!
The UK list price of that particular model is £1250 a pair and the Silver version is £1700, but I'm sure I could do a PH rate if pushed!
rednotdead said:
Ouch - doubt I'll get them past the other half. I'm looking more at the Linn Diskreet type price bracket. Thanks anyway.....
The ones I posted were high end in ceiling surround speakers - the Linn Diskreet are just standard round in ceiling jobbies usually - what are you planning to use them for? Surround sound or just background music?I favour Monitor Audio for in-ceiling as they're cracking value and do 3 different performance levels that all fit the same cutout. Start at circa £180 a pair and go up from there.
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/ci-series
Feel free to give me a shout if you want via www.customcontrols.co.uk
We are B&W dealers and I can get you a price.
We are B&W dealers and I can get you a price.
Hey, I've also been looking for some in ceiling surrounds.
Hughjayteens, what do you think of the idea of using dipole/bipole capable in ceilings for 5.1 surround duties?
Do you know of MA's C260FX and C380FX? Any actual (rather than theoretical)advantage of using them over just a straight mono speaker pair for surround? A mainstreet hifi dealer in Bristol suggested I use simple mono in-ceilings and that I wouldn't notice the difference.
To complicate matters further, B&W do a CCM663/664 SR which doubles as a stereo in-ceiling but "is also very suitable for a surround speaker when put in surround mode" although is not actually a real dipole/bipole speaker. They have discontinued their in-ceiling version of their DS3 on wall surrounds, why I don't know
Hughjayteens, what do you think of the idea of using dipole/bipole capable in ceilings for 5.1 surround duties?
Do you know of MA's C260FX and C380FX? Any actual (rather than theoretical)advantage of using them over just a straight mono speaker pair for surround? A mainstreet hifi dealer in Bristol suggested I use simple mono in-ceilings and that I wouldn't notice the difference.
To complicate matters further, B&W do a CCM663/664 SR which doubles as a stereo in-ceiling but "is also very suitable for a surround speaker when put in surround mode" although is not actually a real dipole/bipole speaker. They have discontinued their in-ceiling version of their DS3 on wall surrounds, why I don't know
Driller said:
Hey, I've also been looking for some in ceiling surrounds.
Hughjayteens, what do you think of the idea of using dipole/bipole capable in ceilings for 5.1 surround duties?
Do you know of MA's C260FX and C380FX? Any actual (rather than theoretical)advantage of using them over just a straight mono speaker pair for surround? A mainstreet hifi dealer in Bristol suggested I use simple mono in-ceilings and that I wouldn't notice the difference.
To complicate matters further, B&W do a CCM663/664 SR which doubles as a stereo in-ceiling but "is also very suitable for a surround speaker when put in surround mode" although is not actually a real dipole/bipole speaker. They have discontinued their in-ceiling version of their DS3 on wall surrounds, why I don't know
There is so many contributing factors that it is almost impossible to say which is 'best'. In essence, a dipole/bipole speaking emits a very diffuse sound which in certain rooms can have a more realistic surround effect during movies - if you listen to multi-channel music then direct speakers generally do a better job. The thing is, in the real world, the position of the speakers in relation to where you sit and any effects from walls (relections) and curtains (absorption) all play a part. We would always generally go with a dipole/bipole speaker for surround duties in a cinema room, but it doesn't always suit (at home for example, I didn't have enough depth in the ceiling for anything but a super slim direct speaker which are directly above the sofa - surround effects aren't great but I still enjoy the system.Hughjayteens, what do you think of the idea of using dipole/bipole capable in ceilings for 5.1 surround duties?
Do you know of MA's C260FX and C380FX? Any actual (rather than theoretical)advantage of using them over just a straight mono speaker pair for surround? A mainstreet hifi dealer in Bristol suggested I use simple mono in-ceilings and that I wouldn't notice the difference.
To complicate matters further, B&W do a CCM663/664 SR which doubles as a stereo in-ceiling but "is also very suitable for a surround speaker when put in surround mode" although is not actually a real dipole/bipole speaker. They have discontinued their in-ceiling version of their DS3 on wall surrounds, why I don't know
Many have a switch for dipole/bipole settings so try both and see what sounds best for you.
I wouldn't stress too much about it - your ears quickly acclimatise to whatever they are listening too so it will all sound good!
How big is the room, what other kit will you be using, what is the primary use and where will you be sat? Let me have a bit more info and I'll advise where possible.
hughjayteens said:
There is so many contributing factors that it is almost impossible to say which is 'best'. In essence, a dipole/bipole speaking emits a very diffuse sound which in certain rooms can have a more realistic surround effect during movies - if you listen to multi-channel music then direct speakers generally do a better job. The thing is, in the real world, the position of the speakers in relation to where you sit and any effects from walls (relections) and curtains (absorption) all play a part. We would always generally go with a dipole/bipole speaker for surround duties in a cinema room, but it doesn't always suit (at home for example, I didn't have enough depth in the ceiling for anything but a super slim direct speaker which are directly above the sofa - surround effects aren't great but I still enjoy the system.
Many have a switch for dipole/bipole settings so try both and see what sounds best for you.
I wouldn't stress too much about it - your ears quickly acclimatise to whatever they are listening too so it will all sound good!
How big is the room, what other kit will you be using, what is the primary use and where will you be sat? Let me have a bit more info and I'll advise where possible.
The TV area is a dedicated area at the end of a 9 meter long room. The ceilings are 3m20cm high with at least 300mm internal height for speakers. The distance from rear wall to front is 4.5m. Many have a switch for dipole/bipole settings so try both and see what sounds best for you.
I wouldn't stress too much about it - your ears quickly acclimatise to whatever they are listening too so it will all sound good!
How big is the room, what other kit will you be using, what is the primary use and where will you be sat? Let me have a bit more info and I'll advise where possible.
The sofa can be moved forward if necessary which I think would be much better for sound although the wife is resisting
If I do move it forward a bit I suppose there would be enough space for some MT30 stand mounts or similar but a bit messy I think.The home cinema system itself is not bought yet and will either be something like CM8, CM center, Rxv3067 or VSXLX53. This is a bit complicated because on the other side of the room I want to put some CM9s and this would mean having a cm8 and cm9 next to each other in the middle which may look odd. For that reason I have also considered some Soundcraft LCR inwalls.
As you can see in the photo the left hand surround is stuck in a corner whereas the right hand one has an open end next to it, probably not the best for imaging.
I must add for my own pride that the mass of cables and stuff under the tely with cables on full view is only a temporary solution. All this gear will go to the left of the sofa in a cabinet and all the wires to ceiling, wallplates etc are installed.
Driller said:
The TV area is a dedicated area at the end of a 9 meter long room. The ceilings are 3m20cm high with at least 300mm internal height for speakers. The distance from rear wall to front is 4.5m.
The sofa can be moved forward if necessary which I think would be much better for sound although the wife is resisting If I do move it forward a bit I suppose there would be enough space for some MT30 stand mounts or similar but a bit messy I think.
The home cinema system itself is not bought yet and will either be something like CM8, CM center, Rxv3067 or VSXLX53. This is a bit complicated because on the other side of the room I want to put some CM9s and this would mean having a cm8 and cm9 next to each other in the middle which may look odd. For that reason I have also considered some Soundcraft LCR inwalls.
As you can see in the photo the left hand surround is stuck in a corner whereas the right hand one has an open end next to it, probably not the best for imaging.
I must add for my own pride that the mass of cables and stuff under the tely with cables on full view is only a temporary solution. All this gear will go to the left of the sofa in a cabinet and all the wires to ceiling, wallplates etc are installed.
Not sure the TV area is large enough to justify 7.1 - I'd stick with a 5.1 setup I think. I take it the CM9s are for 2 channel music use? One slightly leftfield idea that has just come to mind would be to use 3 x CM9s along that wall (plus the centre), and use a speaker switch to allow the middle one to be used as either the left speaker of the 2 channel setup or the right speaker of the 5.1 system. Might look cleaner and it's unlikely you's use both at the same time I'd assume if the room is open? Speakercraft do an auto switching unit that could do the job nicely.The sofa can be moved forward if necessary which I think would be much better for sound although the wife is resisting
If I do move it forward a bit I suppose there would be enough space for some MT30 stand mounts or similar but a bit messy I think.The home cinema system itself is not bought yet and will either be something like CM8, CM center, Rxv3067 or VSXLX53. This is a bit complicated because on the other side of the room I want to put some CM9s and this would mean having a cm8 and cm9 next to each other in the middle which may look odd. For that reason I have also considered some Soundcraft LCR inwalls.
As you can see in the photo the left hand surround is stuck in a corner whereas the right hand one has an open end next to it, probably not the best for imaging.
I must add for my own pride that the mass of cables and stuff under the tely with cables on full view is only a temporary solution. All this gear will go to the left of the sofa in a cabinet and all the wires to ceiling, wallplates etc are installed.
If you can get away with it, some on wall rear surrounds would probably provide the best solution for the TV area - something like this http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/silver-rx/r... (B&W don't appear to do anything similar but I wouldnb't worry too much about that).
hughjayteens said:
Not sure the TV area is large enough to justify 7.1 - I'd stick with a 5.1 setup I think. I take it the CM9s are for 2 channel music use? One slightly leftfield idea that has just come to mind would be to use 3 x CM9s along that wall (plus the centre), and use a speaker switch to allow the middle one to be used as either the left speaker of the 2 channel setup or the right speaker of the 5.1 system. Might look cleaner and it's unlikely you's use both at the same time I'd assume if the room is open? Speakercraft do an auto switching unit that could do the job nicely.
If you can get away with it, some on wall rear surrounds would probably provide the best solution for the TV area - something like this http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/silver-rx/r... (B&W don't appear to do anything similar but I wouldnb't worry too much about that).
Thanks for your advice Chris. I agree that the room doesn't warrant 7.1 and TBH even if it did I probably wouldn't bother with it.If you can get away with it, some on wall rear surrounds would probably provide the best solution for the TV area - something like this http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/silver-rx/r... (B&W don't appear to do anything similar but I wouldnb't worry too much about that).
Your solution with the three CM9s is excellent! It was sort of niggling at me but I hadn't integrated the speaker switch to keep things simple. I shall definitely do it this way, thanks!
For the on wall surrounds I had looked at the RXFXs and thought they looked quite good, B&W do the DS3, a little more pricey than the RXFXs, don't know what you think, they look pretty similar?:
http://www.bowers-wilkins.co.uk/Speakers/Home_Audi...
Apparently this type of surround should be mounted about 60cm above seated ear height. Would the position of the sofa against the rear wall worry you unduly and how far should it be moved forward ideally?
Thanks again for the advice.
I'd use one of these for the speaker switch - it means the speaker would be connected to the AV amp by default, but as soon as it detects a signal from the 2 channel amp it would automatically switch over.
http://www.speakercraft.com/products/installation-...
The DS3s look fine - I am not overly familiar with the B&W line but it always sounds good.
http://www.speakercraft.com/products/installation-...
The DS3s look fine - I am not overly familiar with the B&W line but it always sounds good.
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