Katie's stem cell eye operation thingy...

[VinceFox]

Jesus, did anyone else just watch that?

Partially recovered sight in one eye just THREE WEEKS after stem cell surgery.

[hman]

Yeah, google Katie as well. Horrific story.

[callyman]

Yep, amazing program.
I always watch anything about Katie, She's mates with mates of mine & some of my family.

Incredible woman.

[VinceFox]

Have to say the dark hair is looking raaaather good on her too.

[rich1231]

Really impressed. What a great inspiration and a lovely girl.

[VinceFox]

anonymous said:

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Was involved with someone who threw acid in her face when she left him.

[whoami]

anonymous said:

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[callyman]

VinceFox said:

anonymous said:

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Was involved with someone who threw acid in her face when she left him.

The guy she was in a relationship with/later dumped, hired the guy that threw it at her.

[VinceFox]

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

[davepoth]

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

[VinceFox]

davepoth said:

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

Absolutely, but this programme has surely added fuel to the argument FOR performing stem cell work as a legitimate form of treatment now. Imagine being able to walk again, see again or similar recoveries being discovered and implemented...

[Burgmeister]

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

It makes perfect scientific sense to do so. Any argument against it is clouded in emotion and therefore flawed.

[VinceFox]

Burgmeister said:

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

It makes perfect scientific sense to do so. Any argument against it is clouded in emotion and therefore flawed.

This is the impression i'm getting. It seems to the layperson (me) that the only argument against is that it upsets fictitious characters. I may have this wrong?

[Diamond blue]

She's a deeply impressive young lady.
Very inspiring.

There is a certain tendency for attractive young women to get entangled with violent, scummy to...ers
though. There's some attraction in the bad boys I suppose.
I think Jennifer Ellison was beaten badly by the bad boy thug she was engaged to a few years ago and there's lots of other examples of sexy women being with total phsycos

[davepoth]

VinceFox said:

Burgmeister said:

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

It makes perfect scientific sense to do so. Any argument against it is clouded in emotion and therefore flawed.

This is the impression i'm getting. It seems to the layperson (me) that the only argument against is that it upsets fictitious characters. I may have this wrong?

The big issue with it is that the best way of getting stem cells is to use a just-fertilized egg which has only divided a couple of times. The logic is that, since there's no real way of distinguishing when life begins, any fertilized egg is alive, and we shouldn't really be killing people.

That's the logic behind it, and the logic to my mind stands. Any other point in the process has a lot of ifs and buts attached to it which make the definition quite messy.

However, I don't agree with the logic and I don't see how it's any different to chucking unused fertilised eggs in the bin after IVF. It's just that there isn't a real line to be drawn as to when the embryo is alive, and that's why there's a debate.

[Jasandjules]

davepoth said:

The big issue with it is that the best way of getting stem cells is to use a just-fertilized egg which has only divided a couple of times. The logic is that, since there's no real way of distinguishing when life begins, any fertilized egg is alive, and we shouldn't really be killing people.

Yet a life support machine can be switched off it a person is brain dead, all other cells can function. Yet the cells here have no brain nor cognitive function at all. Some cells are not "people" at all, there is no logic to saying otherwise.

I don't see an issue with it at all I am afraid, the only issue is the imaginary friend brigade seeking to remain in the dark ages, and denying all reason and logic and sense to say so.

[vixen1700]

Burgmeister said:

It makes perfect scientific sense to do so. Any argument against it is clouded in emotion and therefore flawed.

Absolutely.

[PaulHogan]

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

I'm in favour. I would be dead if not for a stem cell transplant in '09.

[VinceFox]

PaulHogan said:

VinceFox said:

So, stem cells... can we now push this as acceptable, ethical and valid medical treatment?

I'm in favour. I would be dead if not for a stem cell transplant in '09.

Just don't make any more crocodile dundee sequels and we'll call it even.

[Halb]

Haven't watched it yet, but I understand the ones she used were from people, not foetuses so there were no issues?