Murdoch's TV pirates
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Halb

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53,012 posts

214 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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How Murdoch's Sky business went around cracking other companies smart cards!
On now, most illuminating.

Murdoch and his business practises really are odious.

aryastark

170 posts

180 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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Makes you sick the resorts these low life scums would go to

dtrump

2,126 posts

222 months

Monday 26th March 2012
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oh FFS!! madmad

missed it

worth watching?

Eric Mc

125,904 posts

296 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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What channel?

What his companies get/got up to no longer surprise me one jot.

But as more revelations emerge my opinion of the man and his practices are just reinforced.

NOTHING that has emerged over the past few years about Murdoch has done a single thing to improve his image.

Eric Mc

125,904 posts

296 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Halb

Original Poster:

53,012 posts

214 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Could it be the Murdochs could be removed from Sky?

Derek Smith

50,017 posts

279 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/mar/26/news-c...

Murdoch took on the BBC from the early days with Thatcher. There was a hiatus under Major but then Blair took it to a whole new level which we wouldn't see again until Cameron.

Murdoch's skill is in infiltrating those with power and authority. Yet in an interview some years ago with Thomas Kierman he said:

"You tell these bloody politicians whatever they want to hear, and once they deal is done you don’t worry about it. They’re not going to chase after you later if they suddenly decide what you said wasn’t what they wanted to hear. Otherwise they’re made to look bad and they can’t abide that. So they just stick their heads up their asses and wait for the blow to pass."

I underestimated Major. The more I read about him the more I realise just how straight and honest he was. He was let down by the squabbling of his party and making them, in my opinion, unelectable in 97. I'm still of that opinion. At the time I just didn't realise how unelectable Blair was.

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

231 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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It seems like there's a war going on, since Murdoch has become the news, and vulnerable, hacking, dowler, police corruption, US foreign corrupt practices act, and losing control of News Corp, including taking full control of cash cow Sky through failing the fit and proper test, fighting back by reminding the Tories of the trouble he can cause The Times out cash for supper Cruddas, while his arch enemies BBC/Guardian/the left in alliance with his other long list of enemies/competitors Telegraph, The Mail, sensing their best opportunity to topple him, throwing ITV digital, etc at him and horsegate at the Tories to remind them not to cave in.

A lot more being played out in public.

MissChief

8,016 posts

199 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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I haven't watched the program in question but I do know that OnDigital was a disaster waiting to happen from start to finish. They banked on people paying a lot of money for Oxford Vs Cheltenham or whoever when the Premier League has been sapping local support from local teams for years. Their forcasts were highly optimistic and never even got close to what they expected. The sad thing is many teams balanced their books on the prospective income from Ondigital and many teams nearly went bust when OnDigital collapsed.

It also didn't help that the encryption standard they chose had been out for years and certainly wasn't state of the art or even secure. I don't think Sky or NDS or NI had anything to do with that, but the encryption they chose was widely recognised as being cracked already before OnDigital launched.

Eric Mc

125,904 posts

296 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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I'd watch the documentary.

Nicholas Blair

4,111 posts

315 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Even more reason to cancel my sub.

Could I do without it? Yes, probably.

Mojooo

13,291 posts

211 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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I see they made no mention of Virgin - I believe the Virgi nsyste mis cracked or until very recently was.

Halb

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53,012 posts

214 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Mojooo said:
I see they made no mention of Virgin - I believe the Virgi nsyste mis cracked or until very recently was.
Maybe Sky/Murdoch didn't have an organisation trying to frack that competitor...or there is no evidence of it yet?

Eric Mc

125,904 posts

296 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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They used other tactics on Virgin.

Ynox

1,755 posts

210 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Mojooo said:
I see they made no mention of Virgin - I believe the Virgi nsyste mis cracked or until very recently was.
Virgin was cracked when they were running an early version of Nagra CA. They did a card swap to the latest version ('Nagra 3') and this is secure.

Mojooo

13,291 posts

211 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Eric Mc said:
They used other tactics on Virgin.
Such as?

jbudgie

10,130 posts

243 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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Eric,
you were right all along about that odious family.

I hadn't really paid much interest until the sky F1 thing started.

Glad I didn't get it and never will after seeing that programme last night.

Eric Mc

125,904 posts

296 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Mojooo said:
Eric Mc said:
They used other tactics on Virgin.
Such as?
There was a major row between the two organisation as a few years ago and Sky withdrew all their channels from the Virgin platform.

And, of course, at the moment Sky will not allow Virgin customers the HD version of their F1 channel and they also won't allow Virgin cistomers this lower grade version of the channel without buying Sky Sports as well - which makes it a lot more expensive for a Virgin customer to upgrade to Sky F1 SD than it does for a Sky customer to upgrade to Sky F1 HD.

Now, in this case, I am not saying that Sky are actually doing antything wrong. They own the rights to F1 coverage in the UK and it is up to them how they chose to allow the public access to "their" property.

The point I am making is that Sky will use any means they can. legitimate and possibly illegitemate, to knobble the opposition.

Eric Mc

125,904 posts

296 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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News breaking this morning that News Corp were encouraging the pirating of TV rivals' cards in Australia as well.

This could be another big story.

Derek Smith

50,017 posts

279 months

Wednesday 28th March 2012
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Eric Mc said:
News breaking this morning that News Corp were encouraging the pirating of TV rivals' cards in Australia as well.

This could be another big story.
If so, how could they have got away with such things for so long? It's not as if they've had any help from the various governments is it.

I've noticed that leaders in The Times are not only supportive of the tories recently, as they have been since just before the elction, but positively sycophantic. I could write then after reading the press releases. No wonder people are leaving the paper in droves. So why are they sucking up to Cameron's lot? Anyone any ideas?