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philh said:
Does anybody else watch this, do you find the boss an arse?
I can't really put my finger on exactly why, but I don't think I'd get on with him on a personal level if we ever met, he just seems agro all the time.And as for the fight he has with ever client when the bill is presented, that's just crazy - I know it's a feature of other Car programmes like Counting Cars, but I don't think any of them give him a 'blank cheque' to go any feed his obsessions, I don't understand why they don't keep a tally going and, I-don't-know tell their customers it's going to be an extra $10k.
He tucked his mate up the point when he couldn't ever afford to keep the car at the end so he sold it.
P-Jay said:
I can't really put my finger on exactly why, but I don't think I'd get on with him on a personal level if we ever met, he just seems agro all the time.
And as for the fight he has with ever client when the bill is presented, that's just crazy - I know it's a feature of other Car programmes like Counting Cars, but I don't think any of them give him a 'blank cheque' to go any feed his obsessions, I don't understand why they don't keep a tally going and, I-don't-know tell their customers it's going to be an extra $10k.
He tucked his mate up the point when he couldn't ever afford to keep the car at the end so he sold it.
I didn't understand why his mate didn't get a refund on the engine? I would have thought it would have cleaned up ok as well. And as for the fight he has with ever client when the bill is presented, that's just crazy - I know it's a feature of other Car programmes like Counting Cars, but I don't think any of them give him a 'blank cheque' to go any feed his obsessions, I don't understand why they don't keep a tally going and, I-don't-know tell their customers it's going to be an extra $10k.
He tucked his mate up the point when he couldn't ever afford to keep the car at the end so he sold it.
I started watching it with high hopes. They marketed themselves as different to a lot of these car restorers by saying they take their time to do a car properly, and do it so well it's worth the wait.
After seeing what they did to that Studebaker, let alone the Mustang, I have no faith in their claim whatsoever. The Studebaker looked like a high school metal shop project, very poor, and they managed to make a '65 Mustang look ugly, which I suppose is an achievement in itself, but what a complete shambles over engines etc!!
The owner seems to thrive on making his customer miserable through quoting ridiculously high prices and long target dates, then gets all standoffish when they question it. He doesn't do what the customer asks, and customers are pushed towards designs and engines they really don't want.
Basically I don't think they do work that is any better than Kounts Kustoms for example, I prefer a lot of what comes out of that shop than what I've seen of Fantom works. I really cant believe anyone bothers taking their pride and joy to Fantom works, the build times are the only amazing thing about them (about 6 months for the Stude wasn't it?)
After seeing what they did to that Studebaker, let alone the Mustang, I have no faith in their claim whatsoever. The Studebaker looked like a high school metal shop project, very poor, and they managed to make a '65 Mustang look ugly, which I suppose is an achievement in itself, but what a complete shambles over engines etc!!
The owner seems to thrive on making his customer miserable through quoting ridiculously high prices and long target dates, then gets all standoffish when they question it. He doesn't do what the customer asks, and customers are pushed towards designs and engines they really don't want.
Basically I don't think they do work that is any better than Kounts Kustoms for example, I prefer a lot of what comes out of that shop than what I've seen of Fantom works. I really cant believe anyone bothers taking their pride and joy to Fantom works, the build times are the only amazing thing about them (about 6 months for the Stude wasn't it?)
In the first episode of this, Mr Green Beret pours scorn on the shows that pretend to be working to a tight deadline, yet in each episode I have seen, they seem to be up against time. Then in the episode where they were trying to do a project for disabled soldiers, the petulance shown between him and his secretary is unbelievable becasue she thinks the car is wrong and he is disappointed with her attitude.
When is the next series of Fast 'n Loud due??? "Ass monkey"
When is the next series of Fast 'n Loud due??? "Ass monkey"
I've only seen 1 episode,the Mustang/Studebaker one...have there been others ?
The Stu would have looked better with a paint finish,the metal work was good but not good enough to leave unpainted and certainly not $125,000 good !
As for the Stang,the owner was as much to blame as Fantom for they way it turned out.
The Stu would have looked better with a paint finish,the metal work was good but not good enough to leave unpainted and certainly not $125,000 good !
As for the Stang,the owner was as much to blame as Fantom for they way it turned out.
Anyone catch the last episode? My god, it is mind blowing, this guy should be in jail, not restoring cars!!
The Chevy Impala, good god, the owner would be best off staying in the military and never returning home, since his bill for the restoration work was ninety seven thousand dollars!! The garage owner indicated approximately thirty thousand dollars for parts, okay, I can forgive that, but that means the labour charge was sixty seven thousand dollars??!! That's with a new engine provided by the client, you simply cannot justify half of that, not when a fully restored, absolutely mint, Chevy Impala an be had for about sixty thousand. So basically the car would need to sell for over $100,000 to cover the costs of a resto job.
Then he gets an elderly gent in on a tight budget, the crew make an error, but of course he expects the client to meet him halfway on the expense, He's insane!! No wonder the guys wife was annoyed. As for the wheels, bright yellow to make them "pop", they looked terrible, yet he strong arms them into keeping them, and goes on to say he started to like them after a bottle of wine??
Complete clown, his prices are insane, and the work not brilliant, and he also seems to save the surprise of how much it will all cost right until the end, stringing people along with nonsense about labour costs (three times the cost of the parts bill?).
Cant remember how long the Chevy took to complete, knowing them about 6 weeks, so with a total labour bill of $67,000 you're looking at a labour rate of around $2200 a day. How he's still in business I don't know, because I'd tell him to keep the car and walk away.
Edit: Just had a quick look, and this one is a little more than $60k http://classiccars.com/listings/view/472611/1964-c... but the spec is superb, and still $25000 less than the original car + rebuild cost the other poor bloke has to contend with. That would add up to a lot of fuel to feed the beast.
The Chevy Impala, good god, the owner would be best off staying in the military and never returning home, since his bill for the restoration work was ninety seven thousand dollars!! The garage owner indicated approximately thirty thousand dollars for parts, okay, I can forgive that, but that means the labour charge was sixty seven thousand dollars??!! That's with a new engine provided by the client, you simply cannot justify half of that, not when a fully restored, absolutely mint, Chevy Impala an be had for about sixty thousand. So basically the car would need to sell for over $100,000 to cover the costs of a resto job.
Then he gets an elderly gent in on a tight budget, the crew make an error, but of course he expects the client to meet him halfway on the expense, He's insane!! No wonder the guys wife was annoyed. As for the wheels, bright yellow to make them "pop", they looked terrible, yet he strong arms them into keeping them, and goes on to say he started to like them after a bottle of wine??
Complete clown, his prices are insane, and the work not brilliant, and he also seems to save the surprise of how much it will all cost right until the end, stringing people along with nonsense about labour costs (three times the cost of the parts bill?).
Cant remember how long the Chevy took to complete, knowing them about 6 weeks, so with a total labour bill of $67,000 you're looking at a labour rate of around $2200 a day. How he's still in business I don't know, because I'd tell him to keep the car and walk away.
Edit: Just had a quick look, and this one is a little more than $60k http://classiccars.com/listings/view/472611/1964-c... but the spec is superb, and still $25000 less than the original car + rebuild cost the other poor bloke has to contend with. That would add up to a lot of fuel to feed the beast.
Seen the whole series so far and can't believe the owner's arrogance. Don't have a problem with the apparent quality of their work but if I was a paying customer, and at their prices too, I would insist they did what I wanted and not what they thought! They have the right to say "nope, don't want to do that" when discussing the project and that's fair enough but once they've taken the job, and customer, on it should be up to the bill payer what happens to their vehicle.
Shame because I had high hopes for this series and am dreading the next series of Fast n Loud - I loved that to start with and I have a dreadful feeling that they are destined for the same fate as American Chopper - let's do a whole bunch of corporate sponsored builds and forget what made us interesting in the first place! I hope I'm wrong.
Shame because I had high hopes for this series and am dreading the next series of Fast n Loud - I loved that to start with and I have a dreadful feeling that they are destined for the same fate as American Chopper - let's do a whole bunch of corporate sponsored builds and forget what made us interesting in the first place! I hope I'm wrong.
rohrl said:
If I just drop in the following words and phrases you’ll get an idea of my feelings towards Dan, the owner of Fantom Works.
Con artist. Rip-off merchant. Liar. Opportunist. Manipulator. Arrogant. Presumptuous. Misogynist.
How come? Con artist. Rip-off merchant. Liar. Opportunist. Manipulator. Arrogant. Presumptuous. Misogynist.
Sounds like you've had dealings with him.
Genuine question btw.
I haven't dealt with him. I dont like the way he treats his customers like idiots to be fleeced. I've read a thread on another forum in which one of the customers featured said how he felt he'd been ripped off. Dan from Fantom Works shows up in the thread.
link - http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvette...
link - http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvette...
Just watched the Soldier/Impala episode - When he told him over the video link that it was $97,000 I dont think I've ever cringed so much. I couldnt believe what I was hearing!
Also saw the TR6 episode, didn't agree with the decision to do the interior and roof tan, it didn't seem to go with the body colour.
Also saw the TR6 episode, didn't agree with the decision to do the interior and roof tan, it didn't seem to go with the body colour.
Spanglepants said:
Just watched the Soldier/Impala episode - When he told him over the video link that it was $97,000 I dont think I've ever cringed so much. I couldnt believe what I was hearing!
Also saw the TR6 episode, didn't agree with the decision to do the interior and roof tan, it didn't seem to go with the body colour.
Agreed also just watched this episodeAlso saw the TR6 episode, didn't agree with the decision to do the interior and roof tan, it didn't seem to go with the body colour.
He's a con artist,The TR6!!! HTF did that come out at 56k
The Impala Looked t
tful in Silver.No armed services discount either!!You no how the yanks like to blow on about there Patriotic B/S..The F up on the green car,Should have been swallowed up by that tosser.Groveling with the begging bowl"" Shows what sort of bloke he is.Money grabbing t
t.. The value of a car has no relevance to the cost of restoration though.
If it costs 60 grand to restore it costs 60 grand whether the car is worth 10,000 or 100,000.
Having said that,it's a tv show so I take all figures with a pinch of salt.
I thought the Impala came out well,the old green thing with yellow wheels,I don't understand why it was painted matte and the 'mistake' was clearly done for dramatic effect
If it costs 60 grand to restore it costs 60 grand whether the car is worth 10,000 or 100,000.
Having said that,it's a tv show so I take all figures with a pinch of salt.
I thought the Impala came out well,the old green thing with yellow wheels,I don't understand why it was painted matte and the 'mistake' was clearly done for dramatic effect
V8covin said:
The value of a car has no relevance to the cost of restoration though.
If it costs 60 grand to restore it costs 60 grand whether the car is worth 10,000 or 100,000.
Having said that,it's a tv show so I take all figures with a pinch of salt.
I thought the Impala came out well,the old green thing with yellow wheels,I don't understand why it was painted matte and the 'mistake' was clearly done for dramatic effect
Totally agree!If it costs 60 grand to restore it costs 60 grand whether the car is worth 10,000 or 100,000.
Having said that,it's a tv show so I take all figures with a pinch of salt.
I thought the Impala came out well,the old green thing with yellow wheels,I don't understand why it was painted matte and the 'mistake' was clearly done for dramatic effect
problem is, in the uk we have wheeler dealers so everybody thinks you can restore a car for 20p
I think the budgets are entirely realistic in the fantomworks series.
Sure, there is a lot of dramatisation for tv, but its about time people realised that this is what it costs to do the job right!!
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