Secrets of the Castle with Ruth, Peter & Tom - BBC2
Secrets of the Castle with Ruth, Peter & Tom - BBC2
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Gretchen

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19,598 posts

237 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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I've just finished watching the first episode, not something I'd usually even consider watching if I'm honest, but I couldn't find the remote and after five minutes I was hooked!

A 25 year project in France to build a Medieval Castle using only the natural resources and tools available at the time.

The engineering is phenomenal. Some puts modern technology to shame. The skills of the craftsmen are amazing. I can not explain how impressed I was.

A very simply put together documentary that covers every day life from the Stone Masons to the women 'at home'.
In the space of ten minutes I learnt how the term 'Pot Hole' came about - literally digging the clay from the roadside to make a pot, leaving behind a hole in which cart wheels would become stuck. 'The Daily Grind' - a few hours a
day it took to grind the Grain. 'Perfect Pitch' - the noise the stone makes when being cut to the correct pitch/angle.

Ruth, Peter and Tom will be living and working on this project for the next six months. They're brilliant! Ruth's exuberance and excitement was abound. And the teasing between Peter and Tom is mildly humorous at times.

Definitely worth a watch for the impressive craft and engineering skills - the woodworker cutting perfect planks without a saw was beautiful.

I've recorded this for my kids to watch. An absolutely fantastic all round educational tool in my opinion.




Edited by Gretchen on Tuesday 18th November 22:22

Eric Mc

124,658 posts

286 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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I ended up watching this unexpectedly as well. Fascinating stuff - how to build a major structure with no architectural plans and basic but effective geometry and engineering skills.

Great stuff.

Gretchen

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19,598 posts

237 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Eric Mc said:
I ended up watching this unexpectedly as well. Fascinating stuff - how to build a major structure with no architectural plans and basic but effective geometry and engineering skills.

Great stuff.
...that have lasted 800 years!


Wiki link http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guédelon_Castl...

And the project home page http://www.guedelon.fr/en/


snuffy

12,027 posts

305 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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How come they were using modern slings ?

And also the narrator said they were marking out a circle using a compass. Wrong, they were using a pair of compasses.

Eric Mc

124,658 posts

286 months

Tuesday 18th November 2014
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Damn - I want my licence fee back.

jmorgan

36,010 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Taped it. Castles are superb and if that sounds simplistic, I spend a lot of time crawling over them when I get the chance. What they stood for [apart from hundreds of years etc etc) is a whole subject in itself. And how do you take a castle? Pretend to be carpenters, sod the full blown siege (Conwy Castle).

Looking forward to this series.

Gretchen

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19,598 posts

237 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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snuffy said:
How come they were using modern slings ?

And also the narrator said they were marking out a circle using a compass. Wrong, they were using a pair of compasses.
When they raised the lintel? I paused that and was trying to fathom out if it was modern or woven cloth.

I believe Barry Took to be expecting some strongly worded inked parchment soon.


jet_noise

5,979 posts

203 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Watched this. Anticipated a good program and it delivered.
In a slightly different way than before - scope of project far greater than has been done before and out of their control.

I was scared for them using lime without any PPE. I know, I know safety elf and all that but one splash in the eye can be very nasty. When I've even got a splash on my skin I've had trouble!

regards,
Jet

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

219 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Is this the Victorian Farm lot? I'll have to have a peek, the missus and I love castles.

snuffy

12,027 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Gretchen said:
snuffy said:
How come they were using modern slings ?

And also the narrator said they were marking out a circle using a compass. Wrong, they were using a pair of compasses.
When they raised the lintel? I paused that and was trying to fathom out if it was modern or woven cloth.

I believe Barry Took to be expecting some strongly worded inked parchment soon.
At the start they clearly stated everything was being made with tools available at the time. That was a modern sling, with one of those metal hoop things that you screw to close (I don't know what they are called) - like people use in rock climbing.

The trowels also looked modern to me as well.

And I think the spoons they were using at the end were plastic, but I can't be sure.

Barry Took might has some trouble with a parchment since he's been dead for 12 years !


Halmyre

12,233 posts

160 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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snuffy said:
How come they were using modern slings ?

And also the narrator said they were marking out a circle using a compass. Wrong, they were using a pair of compasses.
I think they were using modern gear where it didn't compromise the 'mediaeviality' of it. That lintel probably weighed a few hundred kilos. I noticed what looked like safety shoes as well at one point.

Good programme.

snuffy

12,027 posts

305 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Halmyre said:
I think they were using modern gear where it didn't compromise the 'mediaeviality' of it. That lintel probably weighed a few hundred kilos. I noticed what looked like safety shoes as well at one point.

Good programme.
I thought they had safety shoes on as well.

If the idea is to build it like it was done in 1300s (I think that's the period) then it should be exactly that. They should not be picking and choosing, otherwise it's half-arsed. Do it properly or not at all.

Eric Mc

124,658 posts

286 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Yeah - make sure they don't have any immunisation to smallpox, cowpox, TB, bubonic plague etc and if they get a toothache, no trips to a modern dentist.

RumpleFugly

2,378 posts

231 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Thoroughly enjoyable program smile

Don't mind the odd few innacuracies, didn't take away from it. Just happy they went into a fair amount of detail on each process and there was no fake drama like so much TV.

Fascinating stuff.

Halmyre

12,233 posts

160 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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snuffy said:
Halmyre said:
I think they were using modern gear where it didn't compromise the 'mediaeviality' of it. That lintel probably weighed a few hundred kilos. I noticed what looked like safety shoes as well at one point.

Good programme.
I thought they had safety shoes on as well.

If the idea is to build it like it was done in 1300s (I think that's the period) then it should be exactly that. They should not be picking and choosing, otherwise it's half-arsed. Do it properly or not at all.
As long as the techniques used are authentic then minor details like slings and footwear don't bother me. We already had the rope-making demonstration and then used it to draw water from a well.

On another note, the grading of stone as 'piff, paff and poof' was highly entertaining. The presenters seemed to take great delight in pointing out the 'poof' in particular.

Laurel Green

30,983 posts

253 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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The thing that most impressed me was the spirit-level; don't know why. Fascinating programme!

RumpleFugly

2,378 posts

231 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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The quality of the finish the guy got from the pole lathe was just beautiful!

Eric Mc

124,658 posts

286 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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It just shows how well developed engineering had become 1,000 years ago. The main difference between then and today was the massive reliance on stone, sand and wood. Metals were of course being used but they were expensive and, in many cases, not as robust or as hard wearing as stone etc.

In some respects, it was still in effect a "Stone Age".

I was impressed with what I was seeing.

Matt_N

8,986 posts

223 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Didn't get a chance to watch this but I'll hunt it down on the iplayer now.

PhilboSE

5,684 posts

247 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Like others, watched this without planning to, but enjoyed it.

And I think we can allow the builders the luxury of keeping their toes intact post-project by wearing safety boots!