Without remorse & Rainbow Six: the movies
Discussion
Tom Clancy fans: it’s time to celebrate!
Not only do we have the excellent eight part Jack Ryan series on Amazon Prime Video, we now know why John Clark wasn’t in it (when one of the characters seemed to be him in all but name)
There are going to be not one, but two John Clark movies. The first is without remorse, to be followed by rainbow six.
The only bad news is the casting. John Clark the ageing (in his fifties in rainbow six) white ex CIA hitman is to be played by Michael B Jordan??
I can understand the move to change the characters efficiency, after all the world isn’t populated exclusively by white men. That said MBJ is at least 20 years too young for the role. This is going to make a lot of the plot points simply not work.
Going back to the beginning worked for Jack Ryan on TV, but not the big screen. Let’s hope this can be as good, but the cynic in me sees a young actor cast and immediately assumes the studio has an eye on a cinematic universe and multiple sequels.
Not only do we have the excellent eight part Jack Ryan series on Amazon Prime Video, we now know why John Clark wasn’t in it (when one of the characters seemed to be him in all but name)
There are going to be not one, but two John Clark movies. The first is without remorse, to be followed by rainbow six.
The only bad news is the casting. John Clark the ageing (in his fifties in rainbow six) white ex CIA hitman is to be played by Michael B Jordan??
I can understand the move to change the characters efficiency, after all the world isn’t populated exclusively by white men. That said MBJ is at least 20 years too young for the role. This is going to make a lot of the plot points simply not work.
Going back to the beginning worked for Jack Ryan on TV, but not the big screen. Let’s hope this can be as good, but the cynic in me sees a young actor cast and immediately assumes the studio has an eye on a cinematic universe and multiple sequels.
It'll be interesting to see how they come out, and being a film setting they'll probably neatly avoid the significant (to pedants like me) issue in the start of the book of Rainbow Six.
I've enjoyed most of his books (except the one "Net Force" one I read) and this reminds me I've got one I haven't read yet, I'll have to dig it out. He's used a similar idea to Clive Cussler in choosing a name for the next generation - both leading characters from earlier novels have a child with the same name, so they can carry on churning out the stories without worrying about the advancing ages. Well, obviously Tom Clancy isn't churning them out now, but there are still new books on the same characters. I've never really considered the advancing age to be an issue, it's more about the story for me.
I've seen the ads for the series, but don't have Prime so I'll have to wait in case one of the Freeview channels gets them later. Noticed "Rachel's Dad" from Suits is in it, or he's in the ads at least.
I've enjoyed most of his books (except the one "Net Force" one I read) and this reminds me I've got one I haven't read yet, I'll have to dig it out. He's used a similar idea to Clive Cussler in choosing a name for the next generation - both leading characters from earlier novels have a child with the same name, so they can carry on churning out the stories without worrying about the advancing ages. Well, obviously Tom Clancy isn't churning them out now, but there are still new books on the same characters. I've never really considered the advancing age to be an issue, it's more about the story for me.
I've seen the ads for the series, but don't have Prime so I'll have to wait in case one of the Freeview channels gets them later. Noticed "Rachel's Dad" from Suits is in it, or he's in the ads at least.
Shakermaker said:
I suppose it won't be a direct retelling of the stories then, will it?
I suspect that John Clarke will be a member of Rainbow Six, rather than the guy who goes and sets it up, thus avoiding the age issue for the actor vs the book version of the character.
Only problem is; the organisation is Rainbow. It’s leader is code named Rainbow Six, so John Clark IS Rainbow Six.I suspect that John Clarke will be a member of Rainbow Six, rather than the guy who goes and sets it up, thus avoiding the age issue for the actor vs the book version of the character.
Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
robemcdonald said:
Only problem is; the organisation is Rainbow. It’s leader is code named Rainbow Six, so John Clark IS Rainbow Six.
Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
Sorry, yes, good point. It's been about 16 years since I read the books probably. Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
Ding was short for Domingo Chavez, rather than a Chinese character called Ding.
My guess is that they'll have Clark be the head of one team, Ding the head of the other and ditch the other guy completely. Keep Clarks codename as Rainbow 6 and chuck in someone forgettable/irrelevant as the head and call him Rainbow something else.
I think it actually lends itself to a film adaptation pretty well. Unfortuanately, Akiva Goldsman as producer? As in the same producer who did "I Am Legend" and "The Dark Tower"? Not my go to for an adaptation of a book I enjoyed that's for sure.
I think it actually lends itself to a film adaptation pretty well. Unfortuanately, Akiva Goldsman as producer? As in the same producer who did "I Am Legend" and "The Dark Tower"? Not my go to for an adaptation of a book I enjoyed that's for sure.
Shakermaker said:
robemcdonald said:
Only problem is; the organisation is Rainbow. It’s leader is code named Rainbow Six, so John Clark IS Rainbow Six.
Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
Sorry, yes, good point. It's been about 16 years since I read the books probably. Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
Ding was short for Domingo Chavez, rather than a Chinese character called Ding.
Tycho said:
Shakermaker said:
robemcdonald said:
Only problem is; the organisation is Rainbow. It’s leader is code named Rainbow Six, so John Clark IS Rainbow Six.
Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
Sorry, yes, good point. It's been about 16 years since I read the books probably. Will Ding be played by Chinese actor I wonder?
Ding was short for Domingo Chavez, rather than a Chinese character called Ding.
robemcdonald said:
You kind of missed my point. I know where the nickname Ding comes from, but figured it could easily and cynically applied to someone from a Chinese background for a marketing win.
Ah, gotcha. Cynical you maybe, but China really is a huge market for films and ones where the Chinese character helps to save the day go down even better of course
Shakermaker said:
robemcdonald said:
You kind of missed my point. I know where the nickname Ding comes from, but figured it could easily and cynically applied to someone from a Chinese background for a marketing win.
Ah, gotcha. Cynical you maybe, but China really is a huge market for films and ones where the Chinese character helps to save the day go down even better of courseLong time coming, but I've just seen this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOsC9LsMM3I
I wonder how close to the Without Remorse storyline it'll stay - It'll be pretty brutal if it does... And potentially unpalatable to some audiences... I just hope it doesn't suck...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOsC9LsMM3I
I wonder how close to the Without Remorse storyline it'll stay - It'll be pretty brutal if it does... And potentially unpalatable to some audiences... I just hope it doesn't suck...
This has the potential to be great, or utter s
te!
The source material is exceptional and Clancy related stuff generally has high production values. it depends who translates the novel to a screen play and how I guess.
On a side note, is anyone else watching Jack Ryan on Amazon? I really enjoy it to be honest, original stories and well produced.
Very interesting that season 2 is about Venezuela and the effect socialism has had on the country (I still haven't seen the last 2 episodes so it may turn crap).
te!The source material is exceptional and Clancy related stuff generally has high production values. it depends who translates the novel to a screen play and how I guess.
On a side note, is anyone else watching Jack Ryan on Amazon? I really enjoy it to be honest, original stories and well produced.
Very interesting that season 2 is about Venezuela and the effect socialism has had on the country (I still haven't seen the last 2 episodes so it may turn crap).
AshVX220 said:
This has the potential to be great, or utter ste!
The source material is exceptional and Clancy related stuff generally has high production values. it depends who translates the novel to a screen play and how I guess.
On a side note, is anyone else watching Jack Ryan on Amazon? I really enjoy it to be honest, original stories and well produced.
Very interesting that season 2 is about Venezuela and the effect socialism has had on the country (I still haven't seen the last 2 episodes so it may turn crap).
I just realised I talked in this thread last year and then mentioned it in the "what to make on Netflix" threadte!The source material is exceptional and Clancy related stuff generally has high production values. it depends who translates the novel to a screen play and how I guess.
On a side note, is anyone else watching Jack Ryan on Amazon? I really enjoy it to be honest, original stories and well produced.
Very interesting that season 2 is about Venezuela and the effect socialism has had on the country (I still haven't seen the last 2 episodes so it may turn crap).
Yes, really enjoyed the first series, have done 3 or 4 of the second series yet, enjoying so far.
OpulentBob said:
Red October was a great film. TC was one of my favourite writers as a lad, and I really hope they do the books justice.
The books, up to Executive Orders (at a push) were good - Anything after that were painful. Not to mention the Op Center and Net Force books which were awful.Red October was brilliant - I wonder if they could do Red Storm Rising though, in my head, that's a brilliant film...
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