Avengers: Endgame plot chat
Discussion
A few fairly generic thoughts:
Thor was an absolute blast and I love the door that they've left open with that character. The callbacks to previous movies were so well done yet I imagine not alienating if you've not seen anything but Infinity War, a highlight was the Captain America lift scene. That hammer scene caused an actual cheer in the theatre, in fact the whole film was so fun to watch with a full audience.
Also, I'm in awe that they managed to keep so much of that completely secret until release. When you think about the logistics of filming some of those scenes on location and the characters that are involved, it's pretty remarkable.
Thor was an absolute blast and I love the door that they've left open with that character. The callbacks to previous movies were so well done yet I imagine not alienating if you've not seen anything but Infinity War, a highlight was the Captain America lift scene. That hammer scene caused an actual cheer in the theatre, in fact the whole film was so fun to watch with a full audience.
Also, I'm in awe that they managed to keep so much of that completely secret until release. When you think about the logistics of filming some of those scenes on location and the characters that are involved, it's pretty remarkable.
Just back from seeing it (no midnight screening here so 11am was first go) was surprisingly full but mainly students.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, not a moment wasted in that runtime, felt like proper closure and they didn't turn captain Matvel into superman which i liked.
I stayed till the end of the credits but there wasnt anything, only bit i thought was a sound like ringing or hammer on anvil noise but maybe no, i have heard some say its an easter egg but i dont get it and i am quite into marvel.
lots of sniffeling in the screening too.
Thoroughly enjoyed it, not a moment wasted in that runtime, felt like proper closure and they didn't turn captain Matvel into superman which i liked.
I stayed till the end of the credits but there wasnt anything, only bit i thought was a sound like ringing or hammer on anvil noise but maybe no, i have heard some say its an easter egg but i dont get it and i am quite into marvel.
lots of sniffeling in the screening too.
Just outstanding. Emotional rollercoaster but done so so very well. Don’t mind saying I had tears in my eyes at a certain scene, a couple in fact.
What a truly fantastic conclusion to this story arc. Never been done before and likely never will again.
And yes, the very end of credits Easter egg is the sound of Tony hitting the steel to make the Iron Man suit number 1. Not really worth waiting around for!
What a truly fantastic conclusion to this story arc. Never been done before and likely never will again.
And yes, the very end of credits Easter egg is the sound of Tony hitting the steel to make the Iron Man suit number 1. Not really worth waiting around for!
I liked it...erm, I do have ambivalent feelings on it though. A lot happened in it and I feel a tad overwhelmed.
Good things. Well Cap, just every scene he takes, really like Chris Evans. THe lift scene absorbed every atom of my attention, loved the use of the actors and the final pay-off. THe Mjolnir scene, perfect, what fans have wanted/knew for a long time. THe bit with Agent Carter halfway through...that really got me. His ending though...not sure I like that, but from the characters perspective, I guess it is what he would do. Cap was never at home after he was unfrozen, but Falcon? He'd get battered in seconds.
Hulk, extremely disappointed with this character, was expecting the rematch all through the film, it never happened, pissed me off. And then Marvel comes in last minute and THanos requires a stone to thump her....
I did like how they used time travel, al seemed to work, and there were many laughs and moving bits, and the fights were OK. But still not sure how I feel about the film, I liked it. Maybe it's because I'm sad these characters are now finished and their relationship over
Hulk and BW, no reunion
Starlord and Gamorra...so what happens there then?
I wanted them to go back and redo it! Was expecting a version of that from the HUlk running in IW trailer.
Good things. Well Cap, just every scene he takes, really like Chris Evans. THe lift scene absorbed every atom of my attention, loved the use of the actors and the final pay-off. THe Mjolnir scene, perfect, what fans have wanted/knew for a long time. THe bit with Agent Carter halfway through...that really got me. His ending though...not sure I like that, but from the characters perspective, I guess it is what he would do. Cap was never at home after he was unfrozen, but Falcon? He'd get battered in seconds.
Hulk, extremely disappointed with this character, was expecting the rematch all through the film, it never happened, pissed me off. And then Marvel comes in last minute and THanos requires a stone to thump her....
I did like how they used time travel, al seemed to work, and there were many laughs and moving bits, and the fights were OK. But still not sure how I feel about the film, I liked it. Maybe it's because I'm sad these characters are now finished and their relationship over
Hulk and BW, no reunion
Starlord and Gamorra...so what happens there then?
I wanted them to go back and redo it! Was expecting a version of that from the HUlk running in IW trailer.
Jim on the hill said:
strudel said:
The end of credit scene noises are lifted from another previous marvel film.
It didn't sound like an Anvil to me. Sounded very light, I think it will end up being Peter tapping his pen or something 
I was certain Hulk would get a rematch with Thanos. I thought this would come following Thanos thumping Captain Marvel with the power stone. The cgi used for the Hulk was astonishing. Best I’ve ever seen, looked real.
I also thought the scene with Hulk supporting the weight of the destroyed Avengers compound was lifted from Secret Wars.
I’m still sore that IM has been effectively written out.
The film still carries weight and RDJ will be missed going forward. Anyone notice the kid from IM 3 now grown up at the funeral scene?
Loved it overall.
I also thought the scene with Hulk supporting the weight of the destroyed Avengers compound was lifted from Secret Wars.
I’m still sore that IM has been effectively written out.
The film still carries weight and RDJ will be missed going forward. Anyone notice the kid from IM 3 now grown up at the funeral scene?
Loved it overall.
highway said:
I was certain Hulk would get a rematch with Thanos. I thought this would come following Thanos thumping Captain Marvel with the power stone. The cgi used for the Hulk was astonishing. Best I’ve ever seen, looked real.
I also thought the scene with Hulk supporting the weight of the destroyed Avengers compound was lifted from Secret Wars.
I’m still sore that IM has been effectively written out.
The film still carries weight and RDJ will be missed going forward. Anyone notice the kid from IM 3 now grown up at the funeral scene?
Loved it overall.
I didn't click that the kid in the funeral was the kid from IM3. What a great touch. I also thought the scene with Hulk supporting the weight of the destroyed Avengers compound was lifted from Secret Wars.
I’m still sore that IM has been effectively written out.
The film still carries weight and RDJ will be missed going forward. Anyone notice the kid from IM 3 now grown up at the funeral scene?
Loved it overall.
I loved the film. I've been taking my youngest daughter to see these since IM2. She is 16 in 5 weeks and to see it all come to an end, and realise that 'our' Avengers trips to the cinema are now over, was emotional. We were both in bits at the end.
Two questions for me.
What happened to Loki when he disappeared with the Tesseract?
And how did IM get the stones off the Infinity Gauntlet to do his own snap?
LHRFlightman said:
Two questions for me.
What happened to Loki when he disappeared with the Tesseract?
And how did IM get the stones off the Infinity Gauntlet to do his own snap?
Q1: That’s got to be an alternate timeline. We may never know. What happened to Loki when he disappeared with the Tesseract?
And how did IM get the stones off the Infinity Gauntlet to do his own snap?
Q2: I figure he designed an override into the gauntlet To cope with that exact scenario. I actually wondered at one point if he would have a remote ‘off’ switch. But that wouldn’t have been as dramatic.
highway said:
I was certain Hulk would get a rematch with Thanos. I thought this would come following Thanos thumping Captain Marvel with the power stone. The cgi used for the Hulk was astonishing. Best I’ve ever seen, looked real.
I also thought the scene with Hulk supporting the weight of the destroyed Avengers compound was lifted from Secret Wars.
I’m still sore that IM has been effectively written out.
The film still carries weight and RDJ will be missed going forward. Anyone notice the kid from IM 3 now grown up at the funeral scene?
Loved it overall.
Yeah, still annoyed over Hulk no rematchI also thought the scene with Hulk supporting the weight of the destroyed Avengers compound was lifted from Secret Wars.
I’m still sore that IM has been effectively written out.
The film still carries weight and RDJ will be missed going forward. Anyone notice the kid from IM 3 now grown up at the funeral scene?
Loved it overall.
First thing I thought was secret wars!!!
Never knew that was the IM3 kid, ta!!
LHRFlightman said:
I didn't click that the kid in the funeral was the kid from IM3. What a great touch.
I loved the film. I've been taking my youngest daughter to see these since IM2. She is 16 in 5 weeks and to see it all come to an end, and realise that 'our' Avengers trips to the cinema are now over, was emotional. We were both in bits at the end.
Two questions for me.
What happened to Loki when he disappeared with the Tesseract?
And how did IM get the stones off the Infinity Gauntlet to do his own snap?
that's wonderful. Is she a fan of Captain Marvel and the A-force moment nearthe end?I loved the film. I've been taking my youngest daughter to see these since IM2. She is 16 in 5 weeks and to see it all come to an end, and realise that 'our' Avengers trips to the cinema are now over, was emotional. We were both in bits at the end.
Two questions for me.
What happened to Loki when he disappeared with the Tesseract?
And how did IM get the stones off the Infinity Gauntlet to do his own snap?
Loki was part of a past that ended, according to the chat Hulk and Ancient ONe had
Tony's nano-tech simply stole them.
...some thoughts...so Mjolnir is out there somewhere....also....
now that the eye of Agamotto is no longer power by time stone, Earth is now vulnerable to other dimension attacks from the likes of Dormannu and Mephisto?
My thoughts:
This movie felt very different to Infinity War in a good way. I feel like I might need another watch to fully understand the mechanics they used for Time Travel and the ‘rules’ they put in place as I am confused still.
Good Things
• Every scene with Steve Rogers / Captain America was fantastic. I felt like in this film Cap was the strongest Avenger by miles. 'I can do this all day', Hail Hydra, Avengers Assemble, worthy of Mjolnir (therefore has power of Thor). That IS America’s ass! By far and away the best character in this film.
• Fat Thor - really shows he struggled with the fact that he had killed Thanos after they’d already failed and it didn’t bring anyone back.
• The kid from Iron Man 3 being at Starks funeral, why?
• Ant-Man getting big and punching a Leviathan in the face! Also the constant harassment about his size! And the Taco blowing empty.
• Doctor Strange saw this play out and was ready post snap to summon everyone instantly to get them to the battlefield. Honestly, when those portals started opening up I could have cried. It was a very emotional moment when Cap went up on his own and there was the 'On your left!' and it all started. Then Strange saying to Iron Man I can't tell you and then giving the one finger to signify this is it. Interesting that close ups of Strange and his hands still show them shaking!
• Spider-Man instant kill and then Peter saying 'I can do this' as the pile of bodies stacks up under him. The whole sequence of Spider-Man carrying the gauntlet and web slinging to Mjolnir which is thrown by Cap only then to be caught be Valkyrie.
• Captain Marvel where Thanos tries to cut her with the sword or punch her and it just bounces off her head. Brilliant!
• Scarlett Witch being insanely strong forcing Thanos to fire on his own armies. Thanos being young had no idea who she was.
• Thanos face when the portals opened and the army appears. He genuinely looks shocked as he at that point in time had no idea who these people were and what they might be capable of.
• Tony Stark and Pepper having the conversation about time travel and her asking him 'Will you be able to rest?', then at the end of the film she tells him he can rest. It's sad because Tony went into this to restore everyone to the present day (not go back 5 years) as he wanted to keep what he found - life with Pepper and his daughter - and Tony was one of the few who lost out and didn't get to see what he accomplished.
• Ancient One refusing to give up the stone and then seeing it twig that if Strange is to be THE best sorcerer, there must be a reason for him handing over the stone so she willingly hands over the stone.
Bad Things
• The female scene - very out of place. I imagine this was a studio decision and not a Russo decision. I'm just disappointed that IF it was a studio decision and the Russo brothers weren't on board they should have put aside their opinion and just shot it properly. This scene stands out in a bad way and I think it's because Russo's didn't want it in the film. It didn't even make any sense because they were all coming together to get the gauntlet to the other side and then Captain Marvel just did her usual thing of flying it across herself destroying everything in her path.
• Hulk. Didn't like the character, came across as arrogant whilst not actually doing anything.
Like I said in the other thread, I completely lost it when Cap wielded Mjolnir. I could watch that scene over and over and it would probably still give me goosebumps.
The one thing that bugs me is if 2014 Thanos comes to 2023 post snap earth and is killed, technically 2014 Thanos does not exist to snap in 2018 so technically the snap never happened. It doesn't really matter if they put the stones back or not because if 2014 Thanos is dead there's not really a threat from Thanos.
There's so much more but I'm still processing it! What a film.
Avengers. I love you 3000.
This movie felt very different to Infinity War in a good way. I feel like I might need another watch to fully understand the mechanics they used for Time Travel and the ‘rules’ they put in place as I am confused still.
Good Things
• Every scene with Steve Rogers / Captain America was fantastic. I felt like in this film Cap was the strongest Avenger by miles. 'I can do this all day', Hail Hydra, Avengers Assemble, worthy of Mjolnir (therefore has power of Thor). That IS America’s ass! By far and away the best character in this film.
• Fat Thor - really shows he struggled with the fact that he had killed Thanos after they’d already failed and it didn’t bring anyone back.
• The kid from Iron Man 3 being at Starks funeral, why?
• Ant-Man getting big and punching a Leviathan in the face! Also the constant harassment about his size! And the Taco blowing empty.
• Doctor Strange saw this play out and was ready post snap to summon everyone instantly to get them to the battlefield. Honestly, when those portals started opening up I could have cried. It was a very emotional moment when Cap went up on his own and there was the 'On your left!' and it all started. Then Strange saying to Iron Man I can't tell you and then giving the one finger to signify this is it. Interesting that close ups of Strange and his hands still show them shaking!
• Spider-Man instant kill and then Peter saying 'I can do this' as the pile of bodies stacks up under him. The whole sequence of Spider-Man carrying the gauntlet and web slinging to Mjolnir which is thrown by Cap only then to be caught be Valkyrie.
• Captain Marvel where Thanos tries to cut her with the sword or punch her and it just bounces off her head. Brilliant!
• Scarlett Witch being insanely strong forcing Thanos to fire on his own armies. Thanos being young had no idea who she was.
• Thanos face when the portals opened and the army appears. He genuinely looks shocked as he at that point in time had no idea who these people were and what they might be capable of.
• Tony Stark and Pepper having the conversation about time travel and her asking him 'Will you be able to rest?', then at the end of the film she tells him he can rest. It's sad because Tony went into this to restore everyone to the present day (not go back 5 years) as he wanted to keep what he found - life with Pepper and his daughter - and Tony was one of the few who lost out and didn't get to see what he accomplished.
• Ancient One refusing to give up the stone and then seeing it twig that if Strange is to be THE best sorcerer, there must be a reason for him handing over the stone so she willingly hands over the stone.
Bad Things
• The female scene - very out of place. I imagine this was a studio decision and not a Russo decision. I'm just disappointed that IF it was a studio decision and the Russo brothers weren't on board they should have put aside their opinion and just shot it properly. This scene stands out in a bad way and I think it's because Russo's didn't want it in the film. It didn't even make any sense because they were all coming together to get the gauntlet to the other side and then Captain Marvel just did her usual thing of flying it across herself destroying everything in her path.
• Hulk. Didn't like the character, came across as arrogant whilst not actually doing anything.
Like I said in the other thread, I completely lost it when Cap wielded Mjolnir. I could watch that scene over and over and it would probably still give me goosebumps.
The one thing that bugs me is if 2014 Thanos comes to 2023 post snap earth and is killed, technically 2014 Thanos does not exist to snap in 2018 so technically the snap never happened. It doesn't really matter if they put the stones back or not because if 2014 Thanos is dead there's not really a threat from Thanos.
There's so much more but I'm still processing it! What a film.
Avengers. I love you 3000.
ashleyman said:
My thoughts:
The one thing that bugs me is if 2014 Thanos comes to 2023 post snap earth and is killed, technically 2014 Thanos does not exist to snap in 2018 so technically the snap never happened. It doesn't really matter if they put the stones back or not because if 2014 Thanos is dead there's not really a threat from Thanos.
Well we don't actually know what Tony wished.The one thing that bugs me is if 2014 Thanos comes to 2023 post snap earth and is killed, technically 2014 Thanos does not exist to snap in 2018 so technically the snap never happened. It doesn't really matter if they put the stones back or not because if 2014 Thanos is dead there's not really a threat from Thanos.
Halb said:
...some thoughts...so Mjolnir is out there somewhere....also....
now that the eye of Agamotto is no longer power by time stone, Earth is now vulnerable to other dimension attacks from the likes of Dormannu and Mephisto?
I thought the point was that Cap returned with Mjolnir and the stones to ensure the future could still happen?now that the eye of Agamotto is no longer power by time stone, Earth is now vulnerable to other dimension attacks from the likes of Dormannu and Mephisto?
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