Goodfellas - a couple of questions
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Seen this several times now, and is always a great watch.
1st question: just before Joe Pesci's character is shot/ whacked, when he believes he is being a made man, he suddenly realizes he is going to get killed. What makes him realize this?
2ndly: Henry's wife implies that she was going to be killed by Jimmy, in the scene where Jimmy is guiding her towards some dresses in one of his shops/ warehouses. Was Jimmy going to try and kill her in this scene? Didn't make sense to me.
In what is undoubtedly a masterpiece, Scorsese got these 2 scenes badly wrong.
1st question: just before Joe Pesci's character is shot/ whacked, when he believes he is being a made man, he suddenly realizes he is going to get killed. What makes him realize this?
2ndly: Henry's wife implies that she was going to be killed by Jimmy, in the scene where Jimmy is guiding her towards some dresses in one of his shops/ warehouses. Was Jimmy going to try and kill her in this scene? Didn't make sense to me.
In what is undoubtedly a masterpiece, Scorsese got these 2 scenes badly wrong.
BMW A6 said:
Seen this several times now, and is always a great watch.
1st question: just before Joe Pesci's character is shot/ whacked, when he believes he is being a made man, he suddenly realizes he is going to get killed. What makes him realize this?
2ndly: Henry's wife implies that she was going to be killed by Jimmy, in the scene where Jimmy is guiding her towards some dresses in one of his shops/ warehouses. Was Jimmy going to try and kill her in this scene? Didn't make sense to me.
In what is undoubtedly a masterpiece, Scorsese got these 2 scenes badly wrong.
The room is empty.1st question: just before Joe Pesci's character is shot/ whacked, when he believes he is being a made man, he suddenly realizes he is going to get killed. What makes him realize this?
2ndly: Henry's wife implies that she was going to be killed by Jimmy, in the scene where Jimmy is guiding her towards some dresses in one of his shops/ warehouses. Was Jimmy going to try and kill her in this scene? Didn't make sense to me.
In what is undoubtedly a masterpiece, Scorsese got these 2 scenes badly wrong.
Most likely yes. Jimmy is mercurial and a creature of impulse, thought he may have planned it out first, send her down a deserted bit, away from himself, and then have a goon do her in. He doesn't do it it himself alleviating some of the guilt, he wants to and doesn't want to kill her at the same time..if she makes it easy enough. He doesn't actually kill Pauli but gets psycho Tommy to do it.
I think both scenes are ace. They exemplify that they have no friends.
1. He walks into an empty room.
2. Jimmy is extremely paranoid, as are both Henry and his wife. This scene clearly demonstrates this, and I think is intentionally ambiguous as to what might have happened had Karen followed Jimmy’s instructions.
I think your criticisms are ridiculous and to suggest that you somehow know better than Scorsese on how to craft a piece of cinematic art is laughable.
2. Jimmy is extremely paranoid, as are both Henry and his wife. This scene clearly demonstrates this, and I think is intentionally ambiguous as to what might have happened had Karen followed Jimmy’s instructions.
I think your criticisms are ridiculous and to suggest that you somehow know better than Scorsese on how to craft a piece of cinematic art is laughable.
king shoeshine boxI don't think Jimmy was going to kill Karen, she was simply paranoid. There's a scene earlier in the film with Karen narrating when she says Jimmy was always first at the hospital when someone had a baby. I think this scene is designed to show just how fractured everyone's friendships had become, from being an extremely close "family" to being afraid of each other's intentions.
RDM said:
When Pesci walks in to the room does he not realise
he’s standing on plastic sheeting? That was the way I
remember it.
I think its that, and the room is empty. He is expecting a big group of people and walks in to an empty room with plastic on the floor and immediately realises whats happening, he’s standing on plastic sheeting? That was the way I
remember it.
BMW A6 said:
In what is undoubtedly a masterpiece, Scorsese got these 2 scenes badly wrong.
I've often though these scenes needed much more obvious indicators in them just in case. Maybe have people jump out and yell "we're gonna shoot you"....just so it's clear.Scorsese doenst know what he's doing.
Tiggsy said:
BMW A6 said:
In what is undoubtedly a masterpiece, Scorsese got these 2 scenes badly wrong.
I've often though these scenes needed much more obvious indicators in them just in case. Maybe have people jump out and yell "we're gonna shoot you"....just so it's clear.Scorsese doenst know what he's doing.
Its a mosaic tiled floor on the room, no plastic sheets.
He is lead into the room expecting the "Don" etc all there waiting to make him but walks into an empty room with just a small table and chairs, not a big fancy room with all the big guys smiling etc... At this point he realises
Karen was twitchy as hell already, and Jimmy telling her to goto the end of the street where two guys where handling boxes and not Doir dresses (as she had been lead to believe) so she does a runner, its a great scene as you dont know if they were going to kill her or Jimmy was trying to just be nice and giver her some dresses.
Jimmy's clean-up after the Lufthansa job is brutal and brilliant.
He is lead into the room expecting the "Don" etc all there waiting to make him but walks into an empty room with just a small table and chairs, not a big fancy room with all the big guys smiling etc... At this point he realises
Karen was twitchy as hell already, and Jimmy telling her to goto the end of the street where two guys where handling boxes and not Doir dresses (as she had been lead to believe) so she does a runner, its a great scene as you dont know if they were going to kill her or Jimmy was trying to just be nice and giver her some dresses.
Jimmy's clean-up after the Lufthansa job is brutal and brilliant.
Kaelic said:
Its a mosaic tiled floor on the room, no plastic sheets.
He is lead into the room expecting the "Don" etc all there waiting to make him but walks into an empty room with just a small table and chairs, not a big fancy room with all the big guys smiling etc... At this point he realises
Karen was twitchy as hell already, and Jimmy telling her to goto the end of the street where two guys where handling boxes and not Doir dresses (as she had been lead to believe) so she does a runner, its a great scene as you dont know if they were going to kill her or Jimmy was trying to just be nice and giver her some dresses.
Jimmy's clean-up after the Lufthansa job is brutal and brilliant.
Yes you are correct. No plastic. He looks around a couple of times. Obviously then seeing the empty room.He is lead into the room expecting the "Don" etc all there waiting to make him but walks into an empty room with just a small table and chairs, not a big fancy room with all the big guys smiling etc... At this point he realises
Karen was twitchy as hell already, and Jimmy telling her to goto the end of the street where two guys where handling boxes and not Doir dresses (as she had been lead to believe) so she does a runner, its a great scene as you dont know if they were going to kill her or Jimmy was trying to just be nice and giver her some dresses.
Jimmy's clean-up after the Lufthansa job is brutal and brilliant.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=galU59i4FjM
RDM said:
When Pesci walks in to the room does he not realise
he’s standing on plastic sheeting? That was the way I
remember it.
That's from Lethal Weapon IIhe’s standing on plastic sheeting? That was the way I
remember it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOrEf93m8-g
Scabutz said:
Yes you are correct. No plastic. He looks around a couple of times. Obviously then seeing the empty room.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=galU59i4FjM
Great scene at the end with Jimmy smashing the phone box and clearly distraught at the news, while Henry is unsure whether to comfort him or stay back, afraid of what Jimmy might dohttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=galU59i4FjM
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