Oscars diversity or lack thereof
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I'm not in favour of quotas for awards or similar- if the best win then it doesn't matter about their gender or race.
This guy won when he was good enough:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_n...
This guy won when he was good enough:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_n...
This discussion is going to go well on a near-all white male forum.
There are recognised stastical anomalies that are hard to ignore, Parasite (my film of the decade) being one. 6 nominations including Best Film but not a single acting nomination for what is a strongly character driven film. The entire cast is Asian.
There are recognised stastical anomalies that are hard to ignore, Parasite (my film of the decade) being one. 6 nominations including Best Film but not a single acting nomination for what is a strongly character driven film. The entire cast is Asian.
Who even cares about the Oscars, or any awards ceremony for that matter? A bunch of immensely wealthy and privileged individuals slapping eachother on the back and telling the world how virtuous they are. There's a reason certain films are referred to as Oscar-bait, because only certain types of films will ever win.
Well here are the nominations
https://oscar.go.com/nominees
It is all well and good complaining about lack of diversity in a hypothetical sense. The question is which movies, directors actors and actresses should be on the list of nominations who aren't.
https://oscar.go.com/nominees
It is all well and good complaining about lack of diversity in a hypothetical sense. The question is which movies, directors actors and actresses should be on the list of nominations who aren't.
ukaskew said:
This discussion is going to go well on a near-all white male forum.
There are recognised stastical anomalies that are hard to ignore, Parasite (my film of the decade) being one. 6 nominations including Best Film but not a single acting nomination for what is a strongly character driven film. The entire cast is Asian.
1917 hasn't got any acting nominations either. Many Oscar worthy movies are such because of the quality of the script, directing and cinematography. There are recognised stastical anomalies that are hard to ignore, Parasite (my film of the decade) being one. 6 nominations including Best Film but not a single acting nomination for what is a strongly character driven film. The entire cast is Asian.
Some of the categories this year have some real heavyweights in as well. Best supporting actor includes Joe Pesci, Al Pacino and Anthony Hopkins.
I am not usually a Cinema goer so while I will see most of the movies eventually I haven't seen any of the Oscar contenders except the Irishmen yet. All I am saying is that an acting performance should be exceptional to win and that there needs to be a concrete example of a performance overlooked to call foul.
moonigan said:
The moaning about the lack of female, people of colour, trans nominees is making the news again. I'm fairly certain if the films/actors were good enough they would be nomintated reagardless.
The worst I have seen yesterday from a news paper was comparing William Dafoe in “At eternity’s hate” to J.Lo in Hustlers.Seem the news paper will do anything to exploit and twist “equality” to gain a spotlight
JagLover said:
All I am saying is that an acting performance should be exceptional to win and that there needs to be a concrete example of a performance overlooked to call foul.
The awards certainly seem to favour a certain type of actor and performance. George McKay in 1917 is a strange overlook that I think had a 'known' actor been in that role would have been a certainty. Ditto any number of supporting roles in Parasite.Lupita Nyong'o in Us is probably the most obvious and widely acknowledged one this year, but the awards ceremonies all ignore horror films so that probably explains that one.
ukaskew said:
This discussion is going to go well on a near-all white male forum.
There are recognised stastical anomalies that are hard to ignore, Parasite (my film of the decade) being one. 6 nominations including Best Film but not a single acting nomination for what is a strongly character driven film. The entire cast is Asian.
Exactly. Some thread topics are near pointless on PH.There are recognised stastical anomalies that are hard to ignore, Parasite (my film of the decade) being one. 6 nominations including Best Film but not a single acting nomination for what is a strongly character driven film. The entire cast is Asian.
JagLover said:
Well here are the nominations
https://oscar.go.com/nominees
It is all well and good complaining about lack of diversity in a hypothetical sense. The question is which movies, directors actors and actresses should be on the list of nominations who aren't.
The problem is bias exists all the way down the chain. It's not just bias by the Oscars judges. But by the people choosing to fund movies, and select actresses and actors. (Ask yourself if your instinct was those two words were the wrong way around, even if you'd never admit it).https://oscar.go.com/nominees
It is all well and good complaining about lack of diversity in a hypothetical sense. The question is which movies, directors actors and actresses should be on the list of nominations who aren't.
Bias exists in all of us. To get nominated for an oscar there must be dozens of people making decisions "for" you. Even the crew working on a film will have bias. If they are all 0.1% better at their job because they feel (subconsciously) a tiny amount more connected to a white male director...you'd get a better film.
They can't solve this at the judging panel. It's a fundamental "issue" in society that's being worked on. The Oscars just happen to shine a bit more light on it. The "solution" may come over time, but not in our lifetime I wouldn't think.
Munter said:
The problem is bias exists all the way down the chain. It's not just bias by the Oscars judges. But by the people choosing to fund movies, and select actresses and actors. (Ask yourself if your instinct was those two words were the wrong way around, even if you'd never admit it).
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We are also partly coming back to the issue of Genre. Of the films nominated 6 are historical films as far as I see. Most based in time periods or areas with few non-white characters. .
12 years a slave was an historical film and did very well in terms of Oscar nominations.
The greater "diversity" required is perhaps to take each film on its merits rather than judge some Oscar worthy and others not based mainly on genre.
it's an interesting conundrum to be fair. What happens if the performances of non-white/male actors/directors etc aren't actually good enough to warrant a nod? The problem is that it's all subjective unlike, say, the sprints in athletics where the best is clearly and easily defined (or should non-AfroCaribbean athletes be complaining about a lack of opportunity as they do not appear to have the correct physical attributes?).
The problem of introducing an 'ethnic minority' bracket is that that will probably stop a film/producer/etc winning the main gong because they're a nominee in the other category and so it'd be a retrograde step.
TBF I suspect that I'm like many in as much as I really don't give a flying about these (or indeed many) awards
The problem of introducing an 'ethnic minority' bracket is that that will probably stop a film/producer/etc winning the main gong because they're a nominee in the other category and so it'd be a retrograde step.
TBF I suspect that I'm like many in as much as I really don't give a flying about these (or indeed many) awards
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