Planet of Humans- Michael Moore
Discussion
Michael Moore's latest film challenges a few environmental issues and is ruffling a few feathers
Its free on You Tube. I've included the link but unsure what the new rules are on You Tube links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE&t=...
Its free on You Tube. I've included the link but unsure what the new rules are on You Tube links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE&t=...
blurb said:
Michael Moore presents Planet of the Humans, a documentary that dares to say what no one else will this Earth Day — that we are losing the battle to stop climate change on planet earth because we are following leaders who have taken us down the wrong road — selling out the green movement to wealthy interests and corporate America.
Featuring: Al Gore, Richard Branson.......
Irony none!Featuring: Al Gore, Richard Branson.......
It wasn't bad, although having the feeling that you have when your kid says 'dad, did you know if you work hard at school you pass your exams' for an hour and a half isn't good for blood pressure.
It sort of fizzled out after the 'shocking' revelations that weren't; I was expecting a last ten minutes extolling the virtues of the pursuit of fusion etc but hey, can't have everything.
It sort of fizzled out after the 'shocking' revelations that weren't; I was expecting a last ten minutes extolling the virtues of the pursuit of fusion etc but hey, can't have everything.
I gave this a watch last night.
Having followed the whole global warming, anti-capitalism political opinions on the news, on other internet forums and recently on this PH forum, I can see the movie is very much focussed on the aims of Extinction Rebellion but with a message for them to focus purely on anti-capitalism rather than getting caught up in the delusional green narratives that the media have been pushing for years.
The movie no doubt overstates the impacts of capitalism on the "health of the planet" but it does point the finger at the root cause of all those that oppose capitalism and the desire for humans to "better" their life as they age. And that is simply the fact that there are far too many humans on the planet. Each with their footprint for consuming resources whilst having little regard of their consumption. The knock on effects for this in society are that more people mean high competition for space, time and resources, which ramps up the desire for more consumption of resources.
Classic example of this is the early days of the lockdown when everyone rushed out to buy bog roll and food/milk etc. that they knew they would never use, because they saw others doing it and they made sure they got more than their share. Simple competition leading to over consumption.
I am no anti-capitalist, because I think other forms of economy leads to champaign socialism or just down right dictatorships that give no meaning to life. But the movie at least for me does highlight the need to highlight our consumption needs. Buying things to simply throw away after a few uses (or in a lot of cases just single use) is surely a practice that needs to become history.
There is indeed a finite amount of resources and with ever more humans wanting to consume the impacts on the environment are going to be too severe.
I also don't buy in to the human produced CO2 causing global temps to rise dramatically, but I do accept that huge industrialisation for needless consumption needs to be reigned in and regulated much much better. As the movie points out, there can be no benefit of burning trees for fuel. There can also be no benefit for rare earth mineral mines across the world to be on such a scale that forests, landscapes and wildlife are wiped away just so that the likes of China can make large profits due to the developed world throwing away their mobile phones every few months just because a new one has come out with a higher number on it.
So the movie does make you think and I hope BOTH sides (left and right) can meet in the middle and lower the impact of what nearly 8 billion people have on the places we live and the environment we exist in.
The remaining question is of course, as the human population continues to increase at a huge rate, should governments be joining policy to restrict further increase? Because no matter how good we all get as managing consumption it would never be enough to feed or to provide for "8+ x" billions of people who demand an equal life style and opportunity in the future.
Having followed the whole global warming, anti-capitalism political opinions on the news, on other internet forums and recently on this PH forum, I can see the movie is very much focussed on the aims of Extinction Rebellion but with a message for them to focus purely on anti-capitalism rather than getting caught up in the delusional green narratives that the media have been pushing for years.
The movie no doubt overstates the impacts of capitalism on the "health of the planet" but it does point the finger at the root cause of all those that oppose capitalism and the desire for humans to "better" their life as they age. And that is simply the fact that there are far too many humans on the planet. Each with their footprint for consuming resources whilst having little regard of their consumption. The knock on effects for this in society are that more people mean high competition for space, time and resources, which ramps up the desire for more consumption of resources.
Classic example of this is the early days of the lockdown when everyone rushed out to buy bog roll and food/milk etc. that they knew they would never use, because they saw others doing it and they made sure they got more than their share. Simple competition leading to over consumption.
I am no anti-capitalist, because I think other forms of economy leads to champaign socialism or just down right dictatorships that give no meaning to life. But the movie at least for me does highlight the need to highlight our consumption needs. Buying things to simply throw away after a few uses (or in a lot of cases just single use) is surely a practice that needs to become history.
There is indeed a finite amount of resources and with ever more humans wanting to consume the impacts on the environment are going to be too severe.
I also don't buy in to the human produced CO2 causing global temps to rise dramatically, but I do accept that huge industrialisation for needless consumption needs to be reigned in and regulated much much better. As the movie points out, there can be no benefit of burning trees for fuel. There can also be no benefit for rare earth mineral mines across the world to be on such a scale that forests, landscapes and wildlife are wiped away just so that the likes of China can make large profits due to the developed world throwing away their mobile phones every few months just because a new one has come out with a higher number on it.
So the movie does make you think and I hope BOTH sides (left and right) can meet in the middle and lower the impact of what nearly 8 billion people have on the places we live and the environment we exist in.
The remaining question is of course, as the human population continues to increase at a huge rate, should governments be joining policy to restrict further increase? Because no matter how good we all get as managing consumption it would never be enough to feed or to provide for "8+ x" billions of people who demand an equal life style and opportunity in the future.
Edited by GroundZero on Wednesday 6th May 08:55
In fairness, a rebuttal.
https://youtu.be/ZmNjLHRAP2U
[s'ok, no hippies]
TL:DR - Filmed about 10-15 years ago so much was outdated, the abandoned solar array was between generations, everything negative has been improved substantially. He's on the money with bio-mass, but that too is getting challenged in the EU [as they currently count it as a 'renewable'?!].
https://youtu.be/ZmNjLHRAP2U
[s'ok, no hippies]
TL:DR - Filmed about 10-15 years ago so much was outdated, the abandoned solar array was between generations, everything negative has been improved substantially. He's on the money with bio-mass, but that too is getting challenged in the EU [as they currently count it as a 'renewable'?!].
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