BBC 1 Extinction - The Facts.

[cavey76]

Watching this now with interest. I just recently read Apocalypse Never by Michael Schellenberger and it was a real eye opener as to quite how politicized the “goodies” or environmental position is. I suspect that this show may come from a similar position.

I am not a climate change denier but the ‘we’re all
Doomed’ mantra is pretty tedious.

Anyone else watching?

[MrBarry123]

It reinforces the idea that humans are generally s and being completely frank, we don’t deserve to be here.

[SlimJim16v]

MrBarry123 said:

It reinforces the idea that humans are generally s and being completely frank, we don’t deserve to be here.

I watched and was saddened by it and thought the same as you.

[Randy Winkman]

SlimJim16v said:

MrBarry123 said:

It reinforces the idea that humans are generally s and being completely frank, we don’t deserve to be here.

I watched and was saddened by it and thought the same as you.

Me too. Though from a selfish point of view it doesn't bother me that much because I'll probably be long gone before it all goes to s**t. Though on second thoughts, the CV19 thing does make me wonder if I should be so relaxed about it. The main point for me is that a combination of people who make money out of increasing consumption plus those that simply can't be bothered will outweigh those who are willing to make an effort.

Edited to add that as well as the money makers and the cant be bothereds there are also the "but whatabout" people who will simply find excuses and distractions from any actions including finding fining numerous faults with this programme. By the way, I'm sure there are reasonable arguments about possible faults with the programme but focusing on that doesn't really help find solutions.

Edited by Randy Winkman on Monday 14th September 08:06

[belleair302]

The simple fact is that we need to eradicate about four billion people over the next eight years and then keep the population low. It is the only way to enable the planet to survive. Overpopulation will eventually wipe out the human race and most life on earth too!

[FourWheelDrift]

belleair302 said:

The simple fact is that we need to eradicate about four billion people over the next eight years and then keep the population low. It is the only way to enable the planet to survive. Overpopulation will eventually wipe out the human race and most life on earth too!

If only there was a virus we could release into the population.





because the first one isn't working.

[SlimJim16v]

We need to be more efficient with food. We grow food, to feed other livestock, which we eat. We need to reduce the our reliance on meat.

I found a version of the extinction graph.

[jurbie]

SlimJim16v said:

We need to be more efficient with food. We grow food, to feed other livestock, which we eat. We need to reduce the our reliance on meat.

Lab' grown meat will solve that problem, I would guess within a decade very little meat will come from a traditional source. The changes to farming and subsequentely the countryside will be massive.

[Speed1283]

I haven't watched it yet, but will do.

Unfortunately anything we in the UK do is somewhat irrelevant when you consider the scale and intensity of industrialization elsewhere in the world and the scale of farming elsewhere. Not that we shouldn't change our ways of course!

I've always been frustrated by the amount of food wasted in Western society, I don't know the stats but you don't need to look far too see it. I do wonder how much could be solved through more realistic sell by dates? People seem to be in two camps, they'll not touch food even if it looks/smells fine if it's one day past it's marked date. Then there are people like me that will pretty much ignore the date for everything apart from meat, where even then if I've forgotten to freeze something and it's a few days past, I'll judge it on its Smell and look, I can't remember the last time I had an upset stomach, but then again I grew up on a dairy farm drinking unpasteurised milk which should kill me of you read the internet.

The other thing that frustrates me is the lack of incentive/subsidies from government for planting trees, plenty of boundary areas of farm land could take a few trees, or perhaps a few more areas of trees in large grassy parks and common land. Likewise wild flowers to support the insects, no support or incentive for farmers or land owners to sow them. Yes some rich land owners could afford it, but many small family farms who are struggling can't.

[cavey76]

belleair302 said:

The simple fact is that we need to eradicate about four billion people over the next eight years and then keep the population low. It is the only way to enable the planet to survive. Overpopulation will eventually wipe out the human race and most life on earth too!

Except it isnt that simple. Population growth is dropping, for a multitude of reasons but one being that even 3rd world women have access to some fertility control and have 17 children isnt how you secure your long term future unlike generations previously.

I was disappointed in the show - easy platitudes about cuddly gorillas and little examination of detailed causes and/or alternate views.

[CoolHands]

I won’t watch it it’s too unbalanced. Humans are trash though.

[Randy Winkman]

ash73 said:

belleair302 said:

The simple fact is that we need to eradicate about four billion people over the next eight years and then keep the population low. It is the only way to enable the planet to survive. Overpopulation will eventually wipe out the human race and most life on earth too!

I agree there is no other solution.

An interesting question is what population is sustainable as part of a balanced ecosystem in the long term... I would guess about 1 billion.

When AI takes over it'll get sorted, not before.

I guess the more people, the quicker we'll get to the singularity.

Doesn't it just depend on what and how much we consume? As the programme said, some people consume way more than others.

[vixen1700]

belleair302 said:

The simple fact is that we need to eradicate about four billion people over the next eight years

That's quite an industrial extermination programme!

Edited by vixen1700 on Tuesday 15th September 11:22

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

I managed the first 10 minutes and it was just too depressing, so I went and did something else.
I think the problem with watching programs like this is thinking what can I do. I try and do the right thing, but then you see the damage being caused makes your efforts fairly insignificant.
I'm a firm believer in that the planet will ultimately look after itself, but money and corruption will always win.

[Blib]

IIRC, Attenborough is very much in favour of a human "cull". Though, he would be far more polite than that

He finally got his agenda on primetime.