AKA Charlie Sheen

[The Gauge]

Brilliant two parter on Netflix, Charlie Sheen giving his life story, and what a story it is!
I like the guy, and he has certainly lived a life.
Well worth a watch

[Bluevanman]

Is he still winning ?

[Kamov]

Classic bi polar (manic depression), although like a true mental he said he was diagnosed bi polar, then said he wasn't but is 'bi winning'.
I mean it is as exhausting as he makes it look, trust me....
As someone with bi polar, he is totally bi polar, doesn't excuse anything, particularly how he has treated loved ones, but it is for sure an explanation. He is absolute text book though, pure Lord Byron.

Edited by Kamov on Monday 15th September 15:08

[BEP]

It's a fascinating watch, he comes across as quite likeable which surprised me.

[T_S_M]

I've seen some clips of him on Joe Rogan recently, talking about his 'troubled' period and he actually comes across very well. Seems he's now at a point where he can look back on it and reflect.

I'd imagine he's got some wild stories from during that time though

[The Gauge]

He said he was something like 7 years clean, yet that mug he was sipping on did make me wonder.

It's only in recent years that I learned of his birth name and that his brother is Emilio Estevez, shame he didn't take part in the programme.

Edited by The Gauge on Monday 15th September 16:45

[Peterpetrole]

Good program actually, considering it's about someone I don't find particularly likeable.

[The Hypno-Toad]

T_S_M said:

I'd imagine he's got some wild stories from during that time though

He had (or so he claimed) five of Heid Fleiss's girls in a hotel room at the same time. He said that "nobody left in the morning disappointed,"

His autobiography is out now, straight to the top of my Xmas list!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

BEP said:

It's a fascinating watch, he comes across as quite likeable which surprised me.

Just watched part 1 so far, he comes across as an entitled, spoilt, knobhead. Which didn't surprise me at all. I think he's a decent actor though.

Heidi Fleiss came across better, I think I like her. She certainly seems to have him well and truly sussed.

[Bluevanman]

He's got some stty tattoos

[highway]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

Just watched part 1 so far, he comes across as an entitled, spoilt, knobhead. Which didn't surprise me at all. I think he's a decent actor though.

Heidi Fleiss came across better, I think I like her. She certainly seems to have him well and truly sussed.

That was my take away as well. I listened to him on Rogan earlier while cutting the grass. The news about Charlie Kirk broke while their interview was ongoing. I thought he came across like someone pretending to care whilst giving the opinions Rogan wanted. I also thought it telling that neither his father nor brother wanted any part in that doc. I suspect they’ve both had enough of him.

[UKsandman]

Also only watched part 1 so far and I get the distinct impression that he is proud of his past behaviour and is using the documentary to brag about how much he drank / his drug use / his womanising. He is a proper bell end.

[Kamov]

UKsandman said:

Also only watched part 1 so far and I get the distinct impression that he is proud of his past behaviour and is using the documentary to brag about how much he drank / his drug use / his womanising. He is a proper bell end.

Fair enough, but I'll assume you think the same of James Hunt, Barry Sheen, Jackson Pollock, Fred Astaire, Elvis, John Lennon, etc etc.
I don't think its necessary to like him, its a study of a man with mental illness, its not to excuse anything he's done, nor is it to glamorise it, people will add those bits in themselves depending how they view it. That isn't his or the makers problem.
I'll be honest until i found out he had bi polar i wouldn't of said i liked him, I'm biased of course now and in full knowledge of why he has had the life he has had....
Of course people can dislike him all they want, but i don't think any of that matter's as with bi polar no one can love you more than you love yourself, and the flip side is, no one can hate you as much as you hate yourself..... so fk 'them', you are meaningless in our world.

Edited by Kamov on Wednesday 17th September 15:45

[The Gauge]

The Hypno-Toad said:

His autobiography is out now, straight to the top of my Xmas list!

Thanks, I might buy his audiobook version as it is narrated by him. It's £3.99 to new Audible members, or £7.99 for current/previous members when purchased via Amazon., otherwise £12.99 via Audible

Edited by The Gauge on Wednesday 17th September 15:50

[milesgiles]

Very good watch

And don’t believe a word of it. He’s an actor, acting.

[Kamov]

milesgiles said:

Very good watch

And don t believe a word of it. He s an actor, acting.

I get what you mean, but we are all doing that to some degree are we not? I was taught how to model the person I was selling to when i was an energy broker, we all do it sort of subconsciously. We give only a few all of ourselves warts and all. I'm like loads of different people in extremis and I'd guess Charlie is the same, at my heart and core though I'm deeply insecure and extremely sensitive to any slights or criticism and a massive people pleaser.
But you could ask ask any number of people about me and they would say i was an arrogant and the most hateful and angry person they have ever met....

Its like MP's, how many times have we heard "away from politics they are wonderful", well why can't they just be like that IN politics?
We are all actors, some are just better than others and some make a living from it.,..

[milesgiles]

Kamov said:

milesgiles said:

Very good watch

And don t believe a word of it. He s an actor, acting.

I get what you mean, but we are all doing that to some degree are we not? I was taught how to model the person I was selling to when i was an energy broker, we all do it sort of subconsciously. We give only a few all of ourselves warts and all. I'm like loads of different people in extremis and I'd guess Charlie is the same, at my heart and core though I'm deeply insecure and extremely sensitive to any slights or criticism and a massive people pleaser.
But you could ask ask any number of people about me and they would say i was an arrogant and the most hateful and angry person they have ever met....

Its like MP's, how many times have we heard "away from politics they are wonderful", well why can't they just be like that IN politics?
We are all actors, some are just better than others and some make a living from it.,..

There’s a difference between that and saying you weren’t gay until you smoked crack

[Kamov]

milesgiles said:

There s a difference between that and saying you weren t gay until you smoked crack

What offends you about that? Is it that you feel he belittles being gay to a choice? Or that he says he is gay at all?
In my younger manic years I dabbled with the opposite sex at times, it was part of my crazy lifestyle, also in part that i was friends with a lot of homosexuals and pretty much was a straight man trapped in a gay body, i never did the sex part but did the rest.
And yes looking back it was my manic side of manic depression mixed in with insecurity and acting on anyone telling me i was handsome, attractive, etc etc... But mainly that it was just so integrated into pushing stuff and doing everything to the maximum with no fear of anything.
I don't think it is offensive to people whose main badge and identity is 'homosexual' because i never met those types as they are not the norm.

I also don't think your sexuality should be based on if you have had sex either, i still even now as a married with kids and very much spent my life sleeping with women sort of man, think of myself as quite gay.

I know and have known plenty of gay men who came across as far 'straighter' than i did, and also plenty that have slept with women without suddenly having to change their 'identity', but then i to be fair went to Art college and was friends with Artists, fashion designers and poets etc etc...

Edited by Kamov on Thursday 18th September 14:19

[Obi Wan]

Just finished it and I enjoyed it. Hopefully he’s sober for the rest of his life for his kids sake.

[milesgiles]

Kamov said:

milesgiles said:

There s a difference between that and saying you weren t gay until you smoked crack

What offends you about that? Is it that you feel he belittles being gay to a choice? Or that he says he is gay at all?
In my younger manic years I dabbled with the opposite sex at times, it was part of my crazy lifestyle, also in part that i was friends with a lot of homosexuals and pretty much was a straight man trapped in a gay body, i never did the sex part but did the rest.
And yes looking back it was my manic side of manic depression mixed in with insecurity and acting on anyone telling me i was handsome, attractive, etc etc... But mainly that it was just so integrated into pushing stuff and doing everything to the maximum with no fear of anything.
I don't think it is offensive to people whose main badge and identity is 'homosexual' because i never met those types as they are not the norm.

I also don't think your sexuality should be based on if you have had sex either, i still even now as a married with kids and very much spent my life sleeping with women sort of man, think of myself as quite gay.

I know and have known plenty of gay men who came across as far 'straighter' than i did, and also plenty that have slept with women without suddenly having to change their 'identity', but then i to be fair went to Art college and was friends with Artists, fashion designers and poets etc etc...

Edited by Kamov on Thursday 18th September 14:19

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