Original Films coming from Hollywood

[P-Jay]

Browsing YT lunchtime and found this compilation of trailers for new films (and the odd series I think).

Predator Badlands aside, I didn't notice a single sequel, reboot or remake or any Super Hero / Comic films. Okay, it's heavy with Zombie stuff, riding off the back of 28 years later and some look like summer popcorn stuff, but they look decent, have a decent case and have at least a new twist on an existing troupe and some are almost original.

Maybe I just don't want trailers anymore, but maybe, just maybe some new stuff it coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cWp9zVu28s

[FourWheelDrift]

They haven't had any big new ideas for years. And anything today will have to be Trump arse lickingly ultra-USA positive and non DEI. And made in the USA (Trumps threat about his overseas movies tariff) so limited scope for foreign based ideas and foreign studio skills.

[Warhavernet]

Matt Walsh, right winger, religious nut and gun lover, also an expert on movies now, posits that the movie industry's last and final peak was in 2007-8. Have to agree somewhat, The Departed, Zodiac, There Will Be Blood, No Country For Old Men, Gone Baby Gone, Doubt, Wall E. The Wrestler.

[C5_Steve]

There's certainly been a move towards franchises and reboots, but that's purely studios reacting to viewer behaviour. It's a complex issue. Audiences just don't turn out for original films as much as they used to, meaning big studios are less willing to gamble on these releases unless they can do it for a smaller budget. Alot of that is the studio's own fault; post COVID they've continued to focus on the streaming services they pushed to bridge the gap whilst continuing to gauge cinemas on box office takes, often pushing films to digital quicker meaning less time for them to make money. Meaning they need to show those big franchise films more right away to get the take in the launch window.

Over the last few years a few films have shown that original concepts can bring in big money (Sinners most recently) and Disney dialing back their Marvel release frequency but I imagine it'll be a long time and require a fundamental shift before we get back to those days where the top 10 films of the year would all be originals.

[DeejRC]

WTF wants “original” films? That thinking has lead to the self important dross that gets pumped out now where things have to have messages, existential post modern smart arse’ness.

I don’t want the buggers to think. I don’t want them to pretend to be intelligent or think they are making or saying anything important.

Just blow st up for 90mins, throw in a few one liners, chase some stuff and do it with a bit style and acknowledgement that none of it matters and that anyone who “reviews” films for a living or thinks any of it matters is an ahole.

Do that and ppl will watch the film. It’s not original, it’s rinse and repeat of the same formula but it makes for good 100min entertainment.

[vetrof]

They should just put a chick in it & make it gay.

[C5_Steve]

DeejRC said:

WTF wants original films? That thinking has lead to the self important dross that gets pumped out now where things have to have messages, existential post modern smart arse ness.

I don t want the buggers to think. I don t want them to pretend to be intelligent or think they are making or saying anything important.

Just blow st up for 90mins, throw in a few one liners, chase some stuff and do it with a bit style and acknowledgement that none of it matters and that anyone who reviews films for a living or thinks any of it matters is an ahole.

Do that and ppl will watch the film. It s not original, it s rinse and repeat of the same formula but it makes for good 100min entertainment.

They already do those, they're called Jason Statham films now And because he now works with David Ayer who can do them for a tiny budget the last few have been quite profitable. But only because they make them for so little, not because everyone ran out to watch them.

[P-Jay]

C5_Steve said:

DeejRC said:

WTF wants original films? That thinking has lead to the self important dross that gets pumped out now where things have to have messages, existential post modern smart arse ness.

I don t want the buggers to think. I don t want them to pretend to be intelligent or think they are making or saying anything important.

Just blow st up for 90mins, throw in a few one liners, chase some stuff and do it with a bit style and acknowledgement that none of it matters and that anyone who reviews films for a living or thinks any of it matters is an ahole.

Do that and ppl will watch the film. It s not original, it s rinse and repeat of the same formula but it makes for good 100min entertainment.

They already do those, they're called Jason Statham films now And because he now works with David Ayer who can do them for a tiny budget the last few have been quite profitable. But only because they make them for so little, not because everyone ran out to watch them.

Exactly! If you want 100mins of tits and explosions you're hardly starved for choice.

There aren't many new, new ideas left I think (mad as it sounds) they tend to be 'based on real events' things that are stranger than fiction.

Personally I'd like a new heist movie, not a shoot 'em up like 'Den of Thieves', or a silly smart thing like Oceans, like a modern day 'Thief' the James Caan film. Heat 2 could be great, the original is easily one of my favourite films, but if it leans too much into the silly-macho, nut-gun loving tachticool stuff like Den of Thieves it'll be st.

[franki68]

A lot of major talent now writes for tv and for video games as opposed to Hollywood films .

[hondajack85]

Due to harvesting vast amounts of data from antisocial media they know exactly what people want. Thats why everything is st now.

[StevieBee]

hondajack85 said:

Due to harvesting vast amounts of data from antisocial media they know exactly what people want. Thats why everything is st now.

Hollywood have always done this. It used to be called market research. Films would be produced that followed a certain path of preference. Quite often you'd get two or three films released within the same year that had the same basic plot theme (Armageddon, Deep Impact, etc) because that's what the research suggested people wanted to see.

[ThingsBehindTheSun]

Warhavernet said:

Matt Walsh, right winger, religious nut and gun lover, also an expert on movies now, posits that the movie industry's last and final peak was in 2007-8.

If you look at the American Film Institues 100 greatest movie quotes, there isn't a single one there after 2002. For the last 20 years they have just produced instantly forgettable films.

https://www.afi.com/afis-100-years-100-movie-quote...

Global cinema attendance in 2024 was 68% of the 2019 levels.

When was the last time you went to the cinema, I couldn't even tell you a single film that is out at the cinema at the moment. And the majority of the films they are releasing are bombing hard, hence why they are even more likely to keep churning out Marvel, DC, sequels and remakes. Even that isn't working anymore, the recent Tron Ares film is estimates to lose the studio $132 million.

Why do I not go to the cinema anymore?

1)I don't like Marvel/DC
2)I don't want to watch Jurassic Park 7 or any other sequels
3)I don't like animation films
4)I don't want to pay £22 for a ticket or £10 for popcorn
5)It will be released on streaming in a month or two anyway and I can watch it on my big TV at home
6)People seem to think going to the cinema is an opportunity to talk and generally annoy everyone.

I have read reports stating that the cinema as we know it could be dead in 20 years time. However they did say that when VHS came out and it came back bigger than ever.

[C5_Steve]

ThingsBehindTheSun said:

Warhavernet said:

Matt Walsh, right winger, religious nut and gun lover, also an expert on movies now, posits that the movie industry's last and final peak was in 2007-8.

If you look at the American Film Institues 100 greatest movie quotes, there isn't a single one there after 2002. For the last 20 years they have just produced instantly forgettable films.

https://www.afi.com/afis-100-years-100-movie-quote...

Global cinema attendance in 2024 was 68% of the 2019 levels.

When was the last time you went to the cinema, I couldn't even tell you a single film that is out at the cinema at the moment. And the majority of the films they are releasing are bombing hard, hence why they are even more likely to keep churning out Marvel, DC, sequels and remakes. Even that isn't working anymore, the recent Tron Ares film is estimates to lose the studio $132 million.

Why do I not go to the cinema anymore?

1)I don't like Marvel/DC
2)I don't want to watch Jurassic Park 7 or any other sequels
3)I don't like animation films
4)I don't want to pay £22 for a ticket or £10 for popcorn
5)It will be released on streaming in a month or two anyway and I can watch it on my big TV at home
6)People seem to think going to the cinema is an opportunity to talk and generally annoy everyone.

I have read reports stating that the cinema as we know it could be dead in 20 years time. However they did say that when VHS came out and it came back bigger than ever.

I believe that list was published in 2005, which is why you won't find many modern quotes It was part of their "100 years..." series.

That aside, I agree that there's a shift in Cinema coming purely because there has to be to support the current financial model. The general public just aren't prepared to shell out what it costs now and it's understandable, but the business model has been driven in this direction by studios.