Enemy at the Gates
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I saw this film on TV recently. It was so good, I bought the DVD. It's based on a true story of Vassily Zaitsev, a Soviet army sniper who causes havoc amongst the German army officers at the Battle of Stalingrad. He finds himself up against Major Konig, a skilled marksman. Watch out for Bob Hoskins who plays Nikita Kruschev. I thought the film was better than Saving Private Ryan.
T89 Callan said:
I read that it was about as historically accurate as Lord of the Rings. And faux film history annoys me quite alot so I have avoided it.
Suspend your disbelief, and look for accuracy on the discovery channel. This is a really good film, and I echo the OP in rating it higher than Saving Private Ryan which I found boring apart from the start and the end scenes.It seems to be very difficult to CGI aircraft properly - probably because we are familiar with what they look like and the way they actually move. CGI on a dinosaur or a Star Wars type spaceship is easy - as they don't really exist and we have no "reality" to compare the CGI effects to.
Good information here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Zaytsev
And on the (alleged by Zaytsev) sniper duel - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_K%C3%B6nig
And on the (alleged by Zaytsev) sniper duel - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_K%C3%B6nig
The film is based on extracts from the book of the same name
In my view the book is vastly superior and the film does it little justice - as normal...
In my view the book is vastly superior and the film does it little justice - as normal...
They should make a film about this guy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
Killed countless russians during the winter war.
He only finally stopped killing them when his face got blown off. And it had nothing to do with his face being gone, he was purely bored with killing.
He had killed a russian in every way he could imagine. His face getting blown off just happened to coincide with his last imaginative kill.
This guy was so bad ass he shat bullets and didn't even use a scope..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4
Killed countless russians during the winter war.
He only finally stopped killing them when his face got blown off. And it had nothing to do with his face being gone, he was purely bored with killing.
He had killed a russian in every way he could imagine. His face getting blown off just happened to coincide with his last imaginative kill.
This guy was so bad ass he shat bullets and didn't even use a scope..
Love the film apart from the way the little kid says "Vassily Zaitsev", but he does get what's coming to him.
Like the fact they dont bother with trying to do accents - works well in Valkyrie too - comedy accents dont add anything and usually are more distracting than anything else - i.e Defiance
Like the fact they dont bother with trying to do accents - works well in Valkyrie too - comedy accents dont add anything and usually are more distracting than anything else - i.e Defiance
mat205125 said:
T89 Callan said:
I read that it was about as historically accurate as Lord of the Rings. And faux film history annoys me quite alot so I have avoided it.
Suspend your disbelief, and look for accuracy on the discovery channel. This is a really good film, and I echo the OP in rating it higher than Saving Private Ryan which I found boring apart from the start and the end scenes.
k about with it"At least with Saving Private Ryan apart from the WW2 setting it is a fictional story wereas Enemy af the Gates as I've been informed is a pretty poor innacurate telling of a true story that is quite historically significant to WW2 and Russian pride.
T89 Callan said:
mat205125 said:
T89 Callan said:
I read that it was about as historically accurate as Lord of the Rings. And faux film history annoys me quite alot so I have avoided it.
Suspend your disbelief, and look for accuracy on the discovery channel. This is a really good film, and I echo the OP in rating it higher than Saving Private Ryan which I found boring apart from the start and the end scenes.k about with it"At least with Saving Private Ryan apart from the WW2 setting it is a fictional story wereas Enemy af the Gates as I've been informed is a pretty poor innacurate telling of a true story that is quite historically significant to WW2 and Russian pride.
Halb said:
I prefer this film to SPR as well. Just a better story for me.
The history isn't so bad, it's not as blunderous as something like Braveheart. I can abide with it's inaccuracies.
The difference with Braveheart is that EATG is set in a time were we have pretty decent records and reports so we know what happened. With Braveheart it would be near impossible to seperate fact from legend anyway.The history isn't so bad, it's not as blunderous as something like Braveheart. I can abide with it's inaccuracies.
T89 Callan said:
Halb said:
I prefer this film to SPR as well. Just a better story for me.
The history isn't so bad, it's not as blunderous as something like Braveheart. I can abide with it's inaccuracies.
The difference with Braveheart is that EATG is set in a time were we have pretty decent records and reports so we know what happened. With Braveheart it would be near impossible to seperate fact from legend anyway.The history isn't so bad, it's not as blunderous as something like Braveheart. I can abide with it's inaccuracies.
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