The Matrix, WTF? Can someone please explain...
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I pride myself on being able to grasp practically any film I watch. Well, I don't take pride in it, but you know what I mean!
Last night I settled in to watch The Matrix Revolutions as I have never seen it before. Am I missing something? Nothing seemed to happen, apart from the massively long and boring electric octopus fighting. What happened to "The Matrix". Was Zion (sp?) actually just another Matrix?
Please could someone explain it to me? The announcer said before the film started that The Matrix was the best sci-fi trilogy ever. Pfft!
Last night I settled in to watch The Matrix Revolutions as I have never seen it before. Am I missing something? Nothing seemed to happen, apart from the massively long and boring electric octopus fighting. What happened to "The Matrix". Was Zion (sp?) actually just another Matrix?
Please could someone explain it to me? The announcer said before the film started that The Matrix was the best sci-fi trilogy ever. Pfft!
Gun said:
Zion was the real world from where they "jacked" into the Matrix, hence none of them apart from Neo at the end of Reloaded can use any of their powers.
But did Neo become Agent Smith? Or did Neo allowing himself to die allow the machines access to The Matrix to delete the Smith program? And is this why the machines stopped attacking Zion, some sort of truce? The first two Matrix were OK, but I thought what the Oracle said to Neo was a total crock of s
t when he asked why he could stop the Sentinels with his mind. I'm starting to wonder if the writers couldn't figure out how to end the film themselves and just went for an easy, if confusing, option.If I had one chance to use a time machine it would be used to stop myself watching the second two Matrix films. Ok, i'm exaggerating, but I really didn't like them.
I think people get wrapped up in 'universes' surrounding films sometimes, and the sequels were a clear result of that. They didn't need to exist as the original was very good as a stand-alone film (I thought). It's the equivalent of someone saying a very good, succinct poem and then adding five minutes of verbal diarrhea talking around the subject of the poem.
Stargate is a good example of this. I liked the film, but didn't see the point of making a TV series off the back of it.
The best bit of the sequels is when the Oracle (the actor of the original having died I believe) is played by someone who looks completely different. Neo questions this, and the response is "many things change". Good save! How long did it take your genius writers to come up with that explanation?
I think people get wrapped up in 'universes' surrounding films sometimes, and the sequels were a clear result of that. They didn't need to exist as the original was very good as a stand-alone film (I thought). It's the equivalent of someone saying a very good, succinct poem and then adding five minutes of verbal diarrhea talking around the subject of the poem.
Stargate is a good example of this. I liked the film, but didn't see the point of making a TV series off the back of it.
The best bit of the sequels is when the Oracle (the actor of the original having died I believe) is played by someone who looks completely different. Neo questions this, and the response is "many things change". Good save! How long did it take your genius writers to come up with that explanation?
Edited by RDE on Thursday 22 October 15:25
BrabusMog said:
Gun said:
Zion was the real world from where they "jacked" into the Matrix, hence none of them apart from Neo at the end of Reloaded can use any of their powers.
But did Neo become Agent Smith? Or did Neo allowing himself to die allow the machines access to The Matrix to delete the Smith program? And is this why the machines stopped attacking Zion, some sort of truce? The first two Matrix were OK, but I thought what the Oracle said to Neo was a total crock of s
t when he asked why he could stop the Sentinels with his mind. I'm starting to wonder if the writers couldn't figure out how to end the film themselves and just went for an easy, if confusing, option.The function of The One was to restart the matrix and set up a new zion when they machines destroyed it. That had happened 5 times before successfully, the first 2 matrixesssss (martii?) were the 2 that screwed up because they didnt allow humans certain to leave it (curious ones that rejected the matrix like neo, trinity etc.). The Neo we know from the films was different and screwed up the architects plans because, instead of loving the human race and doing the architects bidding and restarting the matrix like he was supposed to, he loved 1 human more, Trinity.
After Neo left the architects office through the wrong door the machines plans were all a bit screwed. The last film showed that and Neo was able to cut the deal to Kill Smith in return for a truce, he could now concentrate on the fate of humanity as Trinity, his true love, had given her life for the humans already.
The irony being that Smith, the arch bad guy who hated humans so much and had become corrupted by an earlier encounter with Neo, in the end becomes the bargaining chip for the survival of the free humans in Zion.
Is that any help?
deevlash said:
BrabusMog said:
Gun said:
Zion was the real world from where they "jacked" into the Matrix, hence none of them apart from Neo at the end of Reloaded can use any of their powers.
But did Neo become Agent Smith? Or did Neo allowing himself to die allow the machines access to The Matrix to delete the Smith program? And is this why the machines stopped attacking Zion, some sort of truce? The first two Matrix were OK, but I thought what the Oracle said to Neo was a total crock of s
t when he asked why he could stop the Sentinels with his mind. I'm starting to wonder if the writers couldn't figure out how to end the film themselves and just went for an easy, if confusing, option.The function of The One was to restart the matrix and set up a new zion when they machines destroyed it. That had happened 5 times before successfully, the first 2 matrixesssss (martii?) were the 2 that screwed up because they didnt allow humans certain to leave it (curious ones that rejected the matrix like neo, trinity etc.). The Neo we know from the films was different and screwed up the architects plans because, instead of loving the human race and doing the architects bidding and restarting the matrix like he was supposed to, he loved 1 human more, Trinity.
After Neo left the architects office through the wrong door the machines plans were all a bit screwed. The last film showed that and Neo was able to cut the deal to Kill Smith in return for a truce, he could now concentrate on the fate of humanity as Trinity, his true love, had given her life for the humans already.
The irony being that Smith, the arch bad guy who hated humans so much and had become corrupted by an earlier encounter with Neo, in the end becomes the bargaining chip for the survival of the free humans in Zion.
Is that any help?
I think my problem is that I still can't get my head around all the possibilities that were left unexplored.
Also, whoever said that Stargate SG-1 was unneccessary, please wash your mouth out with soap. It is hands down the best sci-fi spin off ever. Actually, scratch that, it is better than Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I was annoyed at the ending of the matrix as it clearly left it wide open for the matrix 4. The neatest touch however was right at the end, when the matrix "reloads" itself and gets rid of all the smiths and it goes back to normal, you see the black cat get rewritten. Its the same thing as happened in the first film when neo has his dejavu and morphius tells him thats how they know theyve changed something.
Oh, my theory on why Neo becomes able to use his powers outside the matrix is this:
the One's function is to act as a messiah and divert the free humans attention towards him and support him in his innevitable quest to meet the architect where he should choose to reboot the matrix and save humanity. The fact they have a messiah diverts a lot of the free humans attention from actually reinforcing Zion and fighting properly.
When Neo chooses not to do as hes supposed to and go back to Trinity instead of rebooting the matrix the machines realise that their grip on him and the matrix are slipping, so in an attempt to keep the humans believing in him as their messiah they allowed his power over their machines to extend to the real world. As its such a dramatic change to the architects initial program for the matrix, when neo kills the sentinels in the tunnel it screws up a bit and he ends up stuck in the trainmans station.
Giving Neo real world powers does work however and the humans, mainly morpheus and niobe go on believing Neo can save them when he cant at all and he's really just part of the architects plan. In the end however Neos real life powers allow him to get to the machine city and negotiate his deal to get rid of Smith but in getting to the machine city he indirectly causes the death of trinity and so frees himself (from loving trinity more than the human race) to save humanity afterall.
Oh, my theory on why Neo becomes able to use his powers outside the matrix is this:
the One's function is to act as a messiah and divert the free humans attention towards him and support him in his innevitable quest to meet the architect where he should choose to reboot the matrix and save humanity. The fact they have a messiah diverts a lot of the free humans attention from actually reinforcing Zion and fighting properly.
When Neo chooses not to do as hes supposed to and go back to Trinity instead of rebooting the matrix the machines realise that their grip on him and the matrix are slipping, so in an attempt to keep the humans believing in him as their messiah they allowed his power over their machines to extend to the real world. As its such a dramatic change to the architects initial program for the matrix, when neo kills the sentinels in the tunnel it screws up a bit and he ends up stuck in the trainmans station.
Giving Neo real world powers does work however and the humans, mainly morpheus and niobe go on believing Neo can save them when he cant at all and he's really just part of the architects plan. In the end however Neos real life powers allow him to get to the machine city and negotiate his deal to get rid of Smith but in getting to the machine city he indirectly causes the death of trinity and so frees himself (from loving trinity more than the human race) to save humanity afterall.
And while you're there can someone explain this bit of the last Matrix movie..
I was dozing off towards the end as I thought the third one was like watching someone else play the worlds most expensive video game but doesn't Neo fly the dying Trinty up above the clouds so she can finally "See the sun,"
Now excuse me if I got this wrong but wasn't the whole point of the first one the fact that machines had to use humans as batteries to keep them going? But if you could fly through the toxic clouds to see the sun, why couldn't the machines build very tall towers with solar panels at the top?
Would seem to be a lot less bother.
I was dozing off towards the end as I thought the third one was like watching someone else play the worlds most expensive video game but doesn't Neo fly the dying Trinty up above the clouds so she can finally "See the sun,"
Now excuse me if I got this wrong but wasn't the whole point of the first one the fact that machines had to use humans as batteries to keep them going? But if you could fly through the toxic clouds to see the sun, why couldn't the machines build very tall towers with solar panels at the top?
Would seem to be a lot less bother.
The Hypno-Toad said:
And while you're there can someone explain this bit of the last Matrix movie..
I was dozing off towards the end as I thought the third one was like watching someone else play the worlds most expensive video game but doesn't Neo fly the dying Trinty up above the clouds so she can finally "See the sun,"
Now excuse me if I got this wrong but wasn't the whole point of the first one the fact that machines had to use humans as batteries to keep them going? But if you could fly through the toxic clouds to see the sun, why couldn't the machines build very tall towers with solar panels at the top?
Would seem to be a lot less bother.
The clouds are magnetic, they screw up mechanical things which pass through them as we saw when Neo took the hover craft through the clouds and then couldnt re start in on the way back down and it crashed. I assume that solar panels atop collossal skyscrapers wouldnt work as relaying the energy down to ground level would get ruined by the magnetic clouds.I was dozing off towards the end as I thought the third one was like watching someone else play the worlds most expensive video game but doesn't Neo fly the dying Trinty up above the clouds so she can finally "See the sun,"
Now excuse me if I got this wrong but wasn't the whole point of the first one the fact that machines had to use humans as batteries to keep them going? But if you could fly through the toxic clouds to see the sun, why couldn't the machines build very tall towers with solar panels at the top?
Would seem to be a lot less bother.
The Hypno-Toad said:
And while you're there can someone explain this bit of the last Matrix movie..
I was dozing off towards the end as I thought the third one was like watching someone else play the worlds most expensive video game but doesn't Neo fly the dying Trinty up above the clouds so she can finally "See the sun,"
Now excuse me if I got this wrong but wasn't the whole point of the first one the fact that machines had to use humans as batteries to keep them going? But if you could fly through the toxic clouds to see the sun, why couldn't the machines build very tall towers with solar panels at the top?
Would seem to be a lot less bother.
I was dozing off towards the end as I thought the third one was like watching someone else play the worlds most expensive video game but doesn't Neo fly the dying Trinty up above the clouds so she can finally "See the sun,"
Now excuse me if I got this wrong but wasn't the whole point of the first one the fact that machines had to use humans as batteries to keep them going? But if you could fly through the toxic clouds to see the sun, why couldn't the machines build very tall towers with solar panels at the top?
Would seem to be a lot less bother.
I hadn't even thought of that, and now I am quite annoyed. At least Question Time should provide straightforward viewing tonight...
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