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It took just 118 complaints from BBC viewers to make the BBC re master its backing music for the Professors TV show.
It took thousands of complaints for them to turn down the volume on one of their F1 commentators....
BBC eh,great .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12733...
It took thousands of complaints for them to turn down the volume on one of their F1 commentators....
BBC eh,great .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12733...
andygo: This is great to see!
After decades of abuse to my ears on race tracks, my hearing is not good; particularly with regard to the consonant sounds associated with speech, meaning that although I hear vowel sounds, the words lack definition.
Any extraneous noise (including music) dramatically increases the problem, and I must say that I completely agree that the music should be dumbed down. Personally, I'd prefer no music whatsoever as I feel it cheapens the substance of what is being said. After all, it's a programme which attempts to popularise some very interesting science. Surely it does not need its audience to be falsely encouraged to "OOOH" and "AAAH" every two minutes?
Cheap and tacky; just like the modern day versions of what was once the best series on TV: Horizon.
After decades of abuse to my ears on race tracks, my hearing is not good; particularly with regard to the consonant sounds associated with speech, meaning that although I hear vowel sounds, the words lack definition.
Any extraneous noise (including music) dramatically increases the problem, and I must say that I completely agree that the music should be dumbed down. Personally, I'd prefer no music whatsoever as I feel it cheapens the substance of what is being said. After all, it's a programme which attempts to popularise some very interesting science. Surely it does not need its audience to be falsely encouraged to "OOOH" and "AAAH" every two minutes?
Cheap and tacky; just like the modern day versions of what was once the best series on TV: Horizon.
Yes, I take your point andygo.
However, I'd like to point out to those who are slamming the critics, that I am not 100+ years old! But surely it's a science programme; not "Top of the 'OOH AAH's"?
On the subject of age, I get the distinct impression that the music is all about pandering to a young audience with an inability to sit still for five minutes, lest they become bored too quickly. Like others, I find this rather patronizing and does little to help get their otherwise interesting, sometimes utterly fascinating content across - in my opinion.
However, I'd like to point out to those who are slamming the critics, that I am not 100+ years old! But surely it's a science programme; not "Top of the 'OOH AAH's"?
On the subject of age, I get the distinct impression that the music is all about pandering to a young audience with an inability to sit still for five minutes, lest they become bored too quickly. Like others, I find this rather patronizing and does little to help get their otherwise interesting, sometimes utterly fascinating content across - in my opinion.
Further to my last, and perhaps more in tune with andygo's intent, I was one of Legard's harshest critics within a minute of hearing him introduce the BBC's coverage at the start of 2009. It will by now be obvious to all that I was not alone, yet it still took two years to get rid of him!
It was easy to conclude that an institutionalised BBC would never listen, but when news of his imminent departure was confirmed by well-trusted sources, I had an early Christmas present and literally celebrated with a Champagne party for other like minded members!
It was easy to conclude that an institutionalised BBC would never listen, but when news of his imminent departure was confirmed by well-trusted sources, I had an early Christmas present and literally celebrated with a Champagne party for other like minded members!
cosicave said:
I find this rather patronizing...
It's spelt patronising, petal 
WotU and WotSS are similar to F1; as in (and bear with me on this!)
They're both entertaining shows with factual information. (keep reading it until it makes sense to you.)
We have commentary (narration?) to what's being shown.
Along with that, we have the music (or engine sounds.)
I like the sound of engines turned up.
I like the sound of "ooh-aah music" also to be turned up.
It's apart of the cinematic experience.
Anyways, the BBC are a Bunch of British Cretins for adhering to these 118 complaints and yet, allowing the failure of t
tard to continue for 2-bloody years.My hearing is not good and find it very hard to hear the commentary on F1. It's the noise from the cars, which is not even synched with the picture. I wonder is there anywhere it's available with commentary but little or no noise. Subtitles dont work btw, they are too slow to match the picture and they block a large part of the screen/ information bars.
Be careful of noise, you dont realise the damage until you get older, and it s irreversable. I'm not putting a damper on load music/sound, just showing another side to the situation.
Be careful of noise, you dont realise the damage until you get older, and it s irreversable. I'm not putting a damper on load music/sound, just showing another side to the situation.
Majordad,
If you have Sky/ digital TV, press the red button during the race and go for R5 commentary.
Although the sounds of the engines can still be heard, the commentary does appear to be louder (in comparison to BBC1 commentary.)
Failing that you could try listening to both R5 on the radio whilst watching F1 on BBC1, although there might be some sync issues?
If you have access to skype though, I'd quite happily commentate my very biased views of the race for you?
If you have Sky/ digital TV, press the red button during the race and go for R5 commentary.
Although the sounds of the engines can still be heard, the commentary does appear to be louder (in comparison to BBC1 commentary.)
Failing that you could try listening to both R5 on the radio whilst watching F1 on BBC1, although there might be some sync issues?
If you have access to skype though, I'd quite happily commentate my very biased views of the race for you?
majordad said:
My hearing is not good and find it very hard to hear the commentary on F1. It's the noise from the cars, which is not even synched with the picture. I wonder is there anywhere it's available with commentary but little or no noise. Subtitles dont work btw, they are too slow to match the picture and they block a large part of the screen/ information bars.
Be careful of noise, you dont realise the damage until you get older, and it s irreversable. I'm not putting a damper on load music/sound, just showing another side to the situation.
Complain to the BBC. Just get 117 of your mates to write in and it will be job done. (Only joking BTW! Be careful of noise, you dont realise the damage until you get older, and it s irreversable. I'm not putting a damper on load music/sound, just showing another side to the situation.
)Mike Raffone said:
cosicave said:
I find this rather patronizing...
It's spelt patronising, petal WotU and WotSS are similar to F1; as in (and bear with me on this!)
They're both entertaining shows with factual information. (keep reading it until it makes sense to you.)
We have commentary (narration?) to what's being shown.
Along with that, we have the music (or engine sounds.)
I like the sound of engines turned up.
I like the sound of "ooh-aah music" also to be turned up.
It's apart of the cinematic experience.
Anyways, the BBC are a Bunch of British Cretins for adhering to these 118 complaints and yet, allowing the failure of t
tard to continue for 2-bloody years.It's also spelt 'patronizing', depending upon whether you adhere to the loyalist traditions of the English monarchy approximately 400 years ago, or whether you preferred the slightly anarchic and rebellious statement of the protestants which began in Scotland. ('Spelt' is a direct contraction of 'spelled').
The Americanisation (or Americanization) which most associate with the use of z for s in these cases, is directly due to the predominance of those from Great Britain who travelled to what's commonly known as the New World.
It's also rather odd that you should choose to attempt a 'correction' to my spelling when you are so critical of those who live in the place that produced the very language you are ignorant of. And with "It's apart of the cinematic experience"? I take it you meant 'It's a part of the cinematic experience'?
And whilst we're about it, what's this "anyways … t
tard and 2-bloody"?___
Back on topic, I've just watched the repeat of 'Wonders of The Universe' and found that the reduced volume mentioned by the originator of this thread was music to my ears (sic).
Thanks for your input - 'petal', I'll look forward to your next lesson. Over and out…
majordad said:
It's the noise from the cars, which is not even synched with the picture.
Sorry off topic a bitIts quite difficult to sync the sound with the pictures in F1 as the frame sizes keep changing with the pan and zoom, so although it doesn't look like its in sync, it is.. Its just that the mics are placed under the cameras.
I know you just mentioned that off-the-cuff, but I thought it was just me who thought about things like that.
Oakey said:
The music cheapens the show? What a load of bks, it has a wonderful soundtrack.
Ha! I can only state my own opinion. And that's my opinion.ks, it has a wonderful soundtrack.And in spite of frequently reading opinions which differ to mine, I'm always respectful of these differences; until that is, someone makes an unnecessarily personalised statement like yours.
cosicave said:
Mike Raffone said:
cosicave said:
I find this rather patronizing...
It's spelt patronising, petal WotU and WotSS are similar to F1; as in (and bear with me on this!)
They're both entertaining shows with factual information. (keep reading it until it makes sense to you.)
We have commentary (narration?) to what's being shown.
Along with that, we have the music (or engine sounds.)
I like the sound of engines turned up.
I like the sound of "ooh-aah music" also to be turned up.
It's apart of the cinematic experience.
Anyways, the BBC are a Bunch of British Cretins for adhering to these 118 complaints and yet, allowing the failure of t
tard to continue for 2-bloody years.It's also spelt 'patronizing', depending upon whether you adhere to the loyalist traditions of the English monarchy approximately 400 years ago, or whether you preferred the slightly anarchic and rebellious statement of the protestants which began in Scotland. ('Spelt' is a direct contraction of 'spelled').
The Americanisation (or Americanization) which most associate with the use of z for s in these cases, is directly due to the predominance of those from Great Britain who travelled to what's commonly known as the New World.
It's also rather odd that you should choose to attempt a 'correction' to my spelling when you are so critical of those who live in the place that produced the very language you are ignorant of. And with "It's apart of the cinematic experience"? I take it you meant 'It's a part of the cinematic experience'?
And whilst we're about it, what's this "anyways … t
tard and 2-bloody"?___
Back on topic, I've just watched the repeat of 'Wonders of The Universe' and found that the reduced volume mentioned by the originator of this thread was music to my ears (sic).
Thanks for your input - 'petal', I'll look forward to your next lesson. Over and out…
I doth my shriveled cap to you. Brilliant
Although I hasten to question your opinion of the origins of the protestant movement?
From my understanding the movement became widespread due to the influence of Martin Luthers thesis, along with the political swing in the English monarchy to allow said monarchy (Henry VIII) supreme control of laws, land, finance and rights within their own dominion (England.) Thus separating from the Holy Roman Church. Unsure where Scotland comes into any of this?
Apart: Used in context and as written above, is a valid adjective.
A-part would be an adverb.
t
tard is the stage name I've given Leggard I wouldn't say I'm ignorant of my language, I still find the word Cisco quite brilliant. This shows the influence of both the Anglos/ Saxons and Normans entering out land. One word, a tiny little word, yet it reveals so much about us and our past.
Anyways
I for one would love to hear their soundtrack at a higher volume. When we have the spectacle of the solar system in magnificent detail being shown to us like that, we need accompanying music.Take films like Gladiator and Black Hawk Down for example.
Some of the best scenes from those films all had a superb soundtrack; the gifted Hans Zimmer and the very talented Lisa Gerrard.
For me at least, it is valued entertainment.
Right then petal, I'm off to bedski.
Next lesson is the initial b
disation of our beloved language by a colonial cousins and yet, they are the ones who have remained true to the pronunciation of many words 
Mike Raffone said:
Fantastic! Excellent response there fella [Thankyou; it's nice to be appreciated.]
I doth my shriveled cap to you. Brilliant '[Shrivelled'. - The use of the doubled 'l' to 'll' is surely undisputed?]
Although I hasten to question your opinion of the origins of the protestant movement? [The majority of settlers to the 'New World' were Scottish and Irish; forcibly resettled, largely due to their lack of adhesion to the Catholicism demanded by the English Monarchy. The use of 'z' where the Monarchy insisted on 's' was a deliberate statement of resistance and saw maximum usage amongst the populations of Protestation; i.e. those of Scotland and Ireland.]
From my understanding the movement became widespread due to the influence of Martin Luthers [Luther's: remember the possessive apostrophe] thesis, along with the political swing in the English monarchy to allow said monarchy (Henry VIII) supreme control of laws, land, finance and rights within their own dominion (England.) Thus separating from the Holy Roman Church. ['thus' does not begin a new sentence and as such does not require the capital 'T'.] Unsure where Scotland comes into any of this? [Scotland held the greatest numbers of those resistant to the Monarchy - perceived as domination by the English and necessarily an enforced faith (Catholicism) - across the whole domain of what is now known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.]
Apart: Used in context and as written above, is a valid adjective. 'Apart' is as an adverb
A-part would be an adverb. [See above.]
ttard is the stage name I've given Leggard [ I'll completely agree on the use of this bdis(z)ed noun to describe said person but I'll respect the correct spelling of his name: Legard.]
I wouldn't say I'm ignorant of my language, I still find the word Cisco quite brilliant. [I confess my own ignorance here. What does Cisco mean?] This shows the influence of both the Anglos/ Saxons [Anglo Saxons] and Normans entering out land. [One wonders - where is this strange place which you call "out land"?] One word, a tiny little word, yet it reveals so much about us and our past.
Anyways[Alright, I'll laugh too.] I for one would love to hear their soundtrack at a higher volume. When we have the spectacle of the solar system in magnificent detail being shown to us like that, we need accompanying music. [I have no need for the sound effects but I'm pleased you are impressed with the series.]
Take films like Gladiator and Black Hawk Down for example. [Never heard of them.]
Some of the best scenes from those films all had a superb soundtrack; the gifted Hans Zimmer and the very talented Lisa Gerrard.
For me at least, it is valued entertainment. [Glad to hear you get such pleasure from what is to me complete trivia.]
Right then petal, I'm off to bedski. [Used as a proper noun, you clearly need a capital P before you go to bed or ski]
Next lesson is the initial bdisation [I'll accept this alternative spelling.] of our beloved language by a colonial cousins and yet, they are the ones who have remained true to the pronunciation of many words
Anyway, I'll laugh too. [Thankyou; it's nice to be appreciated.]I doth my shriveled cap to you. Brilliant
'[Shrivelled'. - The use of the doubled 'l' to 'll' is surely undisputed?]Although I hasten to question your opinion of the origins of the protestant movement? [The majority of settlers to the 'New World' were Scottish and Irish; forcibly resettled, largely due to their lack of adhesion to the Catholicism demanded by the English Monarchy. The use of 'z' where the Monarchy insisted on 's' was a deliberate statement of resistance and saw maximum usage amongst the populations of Protestation; i.e. those of Scotland and Ireland.]
From my understanding the movement became widespread due to the influence of Martin Luthers [Luther's: remember the possessive apostrophe] thesis, along with the political swing in the English monarchy to allow said monarchy (Henry VIII) supreme control of laws, land, finance and rights within their own dominion (England.) Thus separating from the Holy Roman Church. ['thus' does not begin a new sentence and as such does not require the capital 'T'.] Unsure where Scotland comes into any of this? [Scotland held the greatest numbers of those resistant to the Monarchy - perceived as domination by the English and necessarily an enforced faith (Catholicism) - across the whole domain of what is now known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.]
Apart: Used in context and as written above, is a valid adjective. 'Apart' is as an adverb
A-part would be an adverb. [See above.]
t
tard is the stage name I've given Leggard [ I'll completely agree on the use of this bdis(z)ed noun to describe said person but I'll respect the correct spelling of his name: Legard.]I wouldn't say I'm ignorant of my language, I still find the word Cisco quite brilliant. [I confess my own ignorance here. What does Cisco mean?] This shows the influence of both the Anglos/ Saxons [Anglo Saxons] and Normans entering out land. [One wonders - where is this strange place which you call "out land"?] One word, a tiny little word, yet it reveals so much about us and our past.
Anyways
[Alright, I'll laugh too.] I for one would love to hear their soundtrack at a higher volume. When we have the spectacle of the solar system in magnificent detail being shown to us like that, we need accompanying music. [I have no need for the sound effects but I'm pleased you are impressed with the series.]Take films like Gladiator and Black Hawk Down for example. [Never heard of them.]
Some of the best scenes from those films all had a superb soundtrack; the gifted Hans Zimmer and the very talented Lisa Gerrard.
For me at least, it is valued entertainment. [Glad to hear you get such pleasure from what is to me complete trivia.
]Right then petal, I'm off to bedski. [Used as a proper noun, you clearly need a capital P before you go to bed or ski
]Next lesson is the initial b
disation [I'll accept this alternative spelling.] of our beloved language by a colonial cousins and yet, they are the ones who have remained true to the pronunciation of many words See you again soon for your next lesson, no doubt.
Cheers.
P.S. The beer tasted good.
and you scored B - (B minus)'Tries hard but could do better!'
- I will expect an improvement by the end of term (semester)
The music, and the level of the music is a very important part to the experience of Wonders of the Universe. I thought it sounded a bit less lively this time around, and now I know why.
So, where exactly do you "complain" to the BBC? I am first in the queue to request that it be set back to its former levels, I hope some of you will follow suit. Perhaps we can get more than 118 people requesting it to be restored to its former glory.
edited to add:
Found the link for BBC complaints:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms
So, where exactly do you "complain" to the BBC? I am first in the queue to request that it be set back to its former levels, I hope some of you will follow suit. Perhaps we can get more than 118 people requesting it to be restored to its former glory.
edited to add:
Found the link for BBC complaints:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms
Edited by bass2rez on Wednesday 16th March 12:53
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